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  •  Get used to this (4.00 / 2)

    BTW, did you hear the national Guard member threaten him on the air?  Now, That's Entertainment

    If it even looks like this election could be turned. The militant wing-nuts will be crawling out from under their rocks and threatening civil war -- literally.

    Stay tuned...

    Contact Pelosi about impeachment: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

    by Pescadero Bill on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 07:08:32 AM PDT

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    •  Totally agree and (none / 0)

      am a bit scared after hearing that guardsman yesterday.  sent chills.  

      YEs.  Every possibility of a civil war and the administration and DoJ will do NOTHING to stop it.  They, after all, have the guns.

      Am I over-reacting?

      Jon Powers has a primary on Sept. 9. Help out now.

      by NYBri on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 07:17:11 AM PDT

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      •  This could separate the real-fascist from (4.00 / 7)

        the near-fascist.

        If Arnebeck has absolute evidence of fraud, things will get ugly, but what can we do? If we don't stand up to people willing to threaten us with violence in order to get their way, we will always be living under their thumb.

        We were handed this country with the understanding that we will always have to be ready to fight against tyranny for justice.

        And guess what people, we could be seeing perhaps the truest test of what America is supposed to be all about.

        And no, I don't think you are over-reacting.

        Contact Pelosi about impeachment: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

        by Pescadero Bill on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 07:37:04 AM PDT

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      •  Revolution? (none / 0)

        Yes the militant right wing will be pissed, but a revolution never comes with a warning, and it is never ended without a massive loss of lives and property.

        We must all be committed to defending our country and our democracy.   A media and information war is already taking place, it's only a matter of time before things get uglier.

        Complacency will get us nowhere.  Many thought a revolution was upon us 35 years ago, perhaps a challenged election will be what starts the avalance, and perhaps the revolution will be started by an unlikely group.  It will be up to us to previal, as our forefathers did 225 years ago.

        The people will not tolerate a near 50% tax rate in support or a corporate military regime and fearmongering forever.

        The people will not tolerate oppression and exploitation of our habitat and our brothers and sisters around the globe forever.

        The people will not tolerate 1% of the population controlling 80% of the wealth forever.

        The people will not tolerate the politics of hatred and division forever.

        A revolution never comes with a warning...

        by cheesybear on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 08:44:21 AM PDT

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        •  Standing up for what makes America (none / 1)

          Standing up for what makes America - America

          Democracy

          .. is not a revolution...

          Its a return to sanity.. and the rule of law...

          These people are filing a lawsuit.
          If that is not working within the system, I don't know what is.

          If the right tries to 'burn the Reichstag' or has stolen the election, the truth will come out.

          The main point is that violence is never necessary. People power is the essence of democracy.

          Peaceful people power.

          by synergist on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 08:52:24 AM PDT

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        •  What???? (0.90 / 20)

          Dude,

          Relax.  There will be no revolution unless the country fell apart after a massive nuclear attack or some other dreadful thing.  

          Our current government would easily kick our collective asses if we tried anything like what you are saying.  You'd be pissing your pants like the Fallujah Terrorists when the US Military came down on you.  And no, don't think for a minute that the US Military would try to put a progessive politician in power.

          Relax, nobody is going to overthrow anyone using guns.  Anyone who thinks so needs to seriously consider seeing a shrink, or upping their meds.

          Get a life.  This is America, we don't work that way around here any more.  Our enemies are the terrorists, our competition is the Republican party.  Pull your head out your ass and take a breathe - your brain is getting oxygen starved.

          by kerry4pres on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 09:04:09 AM PDT

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          •  where did you get that? (4.00 / 4)

            You're misinterpreting what I'm saying.  I am NOT advocating the overthough of our government.  What I am saying is bound to happen is a clash of ideology, and that the people will reclaim our government from facism.  That will be a revolution from our current status quo!

            There will be resistance to this change, from those militant authoritarians who are currently in power.  It is very likely that they will be violent, and we need to be prepared for that, by countering with peaceful sane solutions, however, we must be prepared for the loss of lives and violence against us.  I am no advocating that we participate in this violence, but am merely stating that the potential exists for violence against us, and we need to be prepared for that!

            Yes, Power to the Peaceful.  

            Reclaiming our fundamental values of democracy will be a revolution!

            Furthermore.  I do not appreciate your personal slams against me.  Comments such as that have no place in an intellegent dialouge.

            by cheesybear on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 10:19:32 AM PDT

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            •  Revolution? (3.50 / 2)

              In a country where half the population thinks GWB is the greatest thing since indoor plumbing?  Revolutions require considerable groundwork...and they need something to rally behind.  Does anybody honestly see the toothless and increasingly irrelevant Democratic Party as being in the vanguard of substantive social change?  The timid Mr. Kerry is no Che Guevara; and the DP's only response when Opportunity knocks is to rev up their fund-raising efforts.

              "You go to war and you could lose your heart, your mind, your arms, your legs - but you cannot win. The soldiers don't win." -- Anonymous Soldier

              by aybayb on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 12:58:33 PM PDT

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            •  Use of Guns in America? (4.00 / 3)

              A revolution?  Of course we don't have fringers out there with guns and ideology so far out that they would ever think of using them if they had them.  Why, no one would ever think to use an automatic rifle to kill 6 hunters who were challenging their right to hunt deer on private property.

              And surely no one in Ameruca is stirred up enough about their particular political views that they would do anything harmful to anyone else.

              Certainly our National Guard would never shoot into a crowd of noisey but peaceful college students protestering at Kent State University.

              Hey, listen, I'm old, if you need someone to stand at the front of the line, I will gladly volunteer.  The news media would love to cover the shooting of an old lady protesting fraudulent elections.  Probably on page 36 at the back of the paper.

              More by Shirl at Village Blue and Matters of Spirit

              by shirlstars on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 03:42:21 PM PDT

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          •  So say you... dude (none / 1)

            : Get a life.  This is America, we don't work that way around here any more.

            Didn't realize you were the authority for this.

            Oh, yeah - have a zero, troll.

            by Terry in Austin on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 03:56:06 PM PDT

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      •  well... (none / 0)

        Seems to me that there are plenty of guns in every major blue state city.  I wouldn't be worried about whether or not we've got the firepower, but I would be scared shitless if there were a civil war.

        Reflections on faith, politics and society

        by obietom on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 11:47:29 AM PDT

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    •  if they want war, we will give it to them (none / 0)

      i've read enough keyboard commando statements to know that all republicans are sissies.  Just a bunch of bravado wimps.

      We'd destroy them.  

      "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" - Barack Obama

      by pacified on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 10:01:15 AM PDT

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      •  and judging by the responses (none / 0)

        to the gun thread a couple of weeks ago, lots of us Lib Dems own guns.  Although, I share the concerns posted above.  If fraud is proven, it could get ugly.

        "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain

        by Shaniriver on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 11:31:30 AM PDT

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      •  no need for guns (4.00 / 2)

        dude, it's not the 18th century -- we have a vast network of phantom typists who could very easily (well, maybe not VERY) fuck up the system by hacking, pinging, whatever.

        if the stock exchange can't run, the idiots will wave a white flag...

        AND just for all the intel lurkers out there -- i am actually pro-peace, but i thought you geeks would enjoy the humor as well :)

        Make 'em earn it!

        by michelina on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 01:59:14 PM PDT

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    •  Sure they will... (none / 1)

      And they will thus once again serve as a shining example what it takes to stand up for your political interests (however deranged they may be).
      Unlike those among us who immediately rolled over and said, oh "let's go to the movies..."

      by HansNYC on Fri Dec 03, 2004 at 02:11:51 PM PDT

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