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    Liberalism underestimates the potential of the average citizen. According to modern day liberal philosophy, the average citizen cannot make it on their own. To exist, the average citizen requires assistance from the government.

       Conservatives often make this charge, and quite effectively, that liberals wish to govern your individual lives, in turn eroding your personal freedom.  Liberals, as per usual, always find it necessary to defend and define to justify their positions.
       Turn the argument on its head and we find the claim to be complete rubbish.  Is is the liberal or the conservative that wishes to shape morality through legislation? It seems obvious that the liberal is inclusive, non-judgemental, whereas the conservative wishes to mold society to fit into a narrow band of perceived morality.  The liberal understands the subjectivity of morality, personal choices and freedoms, the conservative unaccepting and rigid.
       The claim that conservatives believe people should be free of government interference is pure propaganda.  Which philosophy wishes to censor, based on an arbitrary compass.  If liberals actually believe the average citizen is bereft of the ability to make their own decisions, why then is it the liberal who often sides with the common man against the bigger institutionalized forces?  Is in not an acknowledgement of the inequalities, rather than a statement of personal freedom.  The conservative is the one who actually has the low opinion of man, he/she needs direction to override their primitive tendencies.  This guidance, whether legislation or pressure, admits that man is inherently evil and must have laws lest he acts on his nature.  The liberal sees man in a better light, not afraid to give the common man power for fear he will not handle it accordingly.
       Interesting that in terms of democracy and freedom, it has historically been those on the left who have fought to move the bar, whereas the conservative has fought liberty, emancipation and personal freedoms.  The liberal says, smoke pot, who am I to dictate, the conservative wags the moral finger, claims corruption and forces retribution.  Who is it again that feels the average citizen can or cannot control and guide their own lives??  
      We on the left need to stop defending liberalism, instead showing the conservative slanders for the house of cards they really are.  When we do that we may see a change in the way the world liberalism is perceived, maybe it may even become palatable again.

    Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you. Jean-Paul Sartre

    by Stevo on Wed Dec 22, 2004 at 03:57:20 PM PDT

    •  I want to write something about this (none / 0)

      but I can't write and look at your post at the same time so forgive me if I get something slightly wrong. What I want to say is that what the original poster is showing, and arguing, is that the right's frame is strong and we need to combat it by appealing to those it is directed at.  We can't do that by using words that we like, as liberals, words like "inclusive" or "tolerant" or "flexible" or whatever. WE have to actually use the words the right does, take their ideas and steal them. If they argue (and they do) that liberals are government dependent we have to argue that it is conservatives who are freeloaders, eating at the government trough. If they argue that liberals want to get into everyone's buisness, we have to argue that liberals aren't blue nosed peeping toms, that they believe everyone has the right to make their own independent decisions about how they are going to live. if they argue that liberals aren't "for" the family, we have to argue that they are "against" the independence of families.  IF they argue that liberals are collectivist, we have to argue that liberals are the original rugged independents.

      The right has shaped language and imagery in certain ways that are salient for their followers. We want their followers so we have to use their language and make them decide (independently) tht we are the party that can give them the most of what they think they value.

      aimai

    •  Thank you (none / 0)

      I believe that you , and Power as well, have made  clear cut strategic assessments that ,strangely enough, the Democratic Party apparently is unable or unwilling to accept.

      We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are. Anais Nin

      by Ardee on Wed Dec 22, 2004 at 05:09:58 PM PDT

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