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... The p[oi]nt is that facts don't really matter is just too Orwellian, too Rovian, too Limbaughian for my taste. That's more or less the argument Richard Perle and Ahmed Chalabi made about WMDs after the fact.
I agree with you that Moore is an effective satirist who kick-punches his opponents in the most delightful way. The are-you-kidding look from the Congressman who is asked if he'd send his kid to fight in Iraq is worth the whole of F-9/11. If the only issue here was whether Moore is a great satirist who knows how to deflate the powers that be, then you'd get no argument from me.
But this idea that Moore's presentation of the facts doesn't matter is bogus. They don't matter to those of us in the echo chamber, for sure. But so much of the praise at dKos for the movie has been built around the justifiable notion that it can be a helpful addition to our arsenal for defeating Bush in November. Since swing voters are the key target, and they could go either direction, it's important for us to be able to answer critics who claim Moore interpreted some facts inaccurately.
If some swing voter at your workplace points out an alleged inaccuracy, and the only response you can make is: it's not about facts, the movie was merely satire - what effect do you think that argument will have on that voter's ballot box behavior?

"Grab whom you must. Do what you want."
by Meteor Blades on Sun Jul 18, 2004 at 04:56:15 PM PDT

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  But this idea that Moore's presentation of the facts doesn't matter is bogus.
  The Repubs want the debate to be about facts, because is distracts from debate about Bush. I'm not saying we should concede any factual errors, there are none. It was you who claimed he was a tad reckless in interpreting some of the facts. Do you ever see many conservatives admitting that Fox is reckless in interpreting facts. Noway. I understand we're talking on a liberal blog and it doesn't really matter, but when talking with conservative friends I don't think we should concede so much. We should answer critics assertions without compromise, but quickly shift the conversation to Bush. The more time spent on debating the facts, the less time afforded to focus on Bush's incompetence. "Why didn't Bush take action after learning of planes crashing into the tower?", "Isn't there a conflict of interest with Bush the presnit and his relationship to Saudis?", "Why aren't we seeing this war footage on the news?", etc, etc.
  
  by dash on Sun Jul 18, 2004 at 05:43:41 PM PDT
  
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    ...about being uncompromising when talking with conservatives about Bush. I think we need a more careful approach when discussing matters with swing voters.
    
    "Grab whom you must. Do what you want."
    by Meteor Blades on Sun Jul 18, 2004 at 05:55:45 PM PDT
    
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      when I've talked this over w/ swing people, or even moderate conservatives, I concede that the facts were chosen based on the points that Moore was trying to make. I then ask "don't you do the same thing when you're at work pushing a project?"
      That usually puts it in perspective for them.
      
      One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...
      
      by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Jul 18, 2004 at 06:37:35 PM PDT
      
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    getting the facts right is important (and so far Moore is surviving that test), but when talking about the movie we should have this in mind: It's about Bush, stupid.
    
    ARGville: Opinions with bite
    
    by VictorNJ on Mon Jul 19, 2004 at 07:51:05 AM PDT
    
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