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  •  It's not beating up (4.00 / 2)

    Moore is a propagandist- would even he dispute that?  As a result, he doesn't have any credibility to the non-converted.  

    I loved F9/11- but this is a job for someone like Cleland a veteran, a moderate, and a prior victim of Bush slander.

    McCain?

    by Preston on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 06:27:38 AM PDT

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    •  "propagandist" implies untruths. (4.00 / 3)

      Interesting how  a movie that does nothing but present facts  (has anyone found an untruth in F911?) is described, even by Kossians, as propaganda.

      While I agree that Moore's accompaning Cleland and Rassmussen to Crawford would become the story in the eyes of the SCLM, and that that would not be productive, I have heard far too many Kossians dis Moore to let it go by without a word.

      Dis Moore, you'll hear from me.  He is carrying water, with no bodyguards, for all of us.

      don't always believe what you think...

      by claude on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 07:29:40 AM PDT

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      •  Propaganda (none / 1)

        Propaganda:
        The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

        Sure, Moore uses facts- but also innuendo. It doesn't detract from your liberal credentials to admit that.

        Take the Saudis:  Moore suggests a malicious connection between Bush and the Saudis with lots of slow motion photography of them shaking hands.  But what's the implication?  That the Saudis, Bush, and Bin Laden all conspired to destroy the WTC?  It may be effective but it isn't rigorously attempting to unearth the truth.

        McCain?

        by Preston on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 07:48:23 AM PDT

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      •  First... (none / 1)

        "Propaganda" is not a dirty word: The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause... Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.

        However, I wil allow that a negative connotation has become attached to it.

        Nevertheless, a propagandist is exactly what Moore is -- and he has said so himself. Michael Moore is, to my mind, a genius; but he belongs on the outside, whence he can properly and strenuously hold everyone's feet to the fire. Once allowed into someone's camp, he loses that outsider credibility. Those are the arguments against attaching Moore to Kerry that have to do with Moore himself.

        The arguments against Moore being attached to Kerry that have to do with Kerry have been outlined above pretty succinctly. A recap: Moore is an incredibly polarizing figure on the left, and as such can only do Kerry good if he is separate -- much like a one man 527.

        -9.63, -7.03 Rage, rage against the Lying of the Right

        by Maryscott OConnor on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 07:51:25 AM PDT

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