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    with good arguments.    Recommended.

    I think that America, adolescent nation that we are, will eventually tend in the same direction as most European nations.  Gay marriage isn't much of an issue in most of Europe because not that many people of any sexual allignment get married any more.   (And they do have civil-union rights).

    Though I'm happily married, I optimistically view marriage as a future anacronism.   Likewise organized religion as a political force.

    •  Europe (none / 0)

      I think it's a common misperception that Europe is far ahead on this.  European society is very economically liberal, but socially it's mixed.  If you look at the continent as a whole, it's slightly ahead of the US, but not by a lot: a slightly larger proportion allows outright gay marriage (2 countries in Europe vs. just Massachusetts in the US), and they're quite a bit ahead on civil unions, but still mostly don't allow them (about 25% of the EU, versus just 4% of US states).

      Running down the list of EU members,

      Gay marriage legal:

      • The Netherlands (civil unions since 1998, marriage since 2001)
      • Belgium (since 2003)

      Civil unions legal (note that many of these do not permit adoption):
      • Denmark (since 1989)
      • Sweden (since 1994)
      • France (since 2000)
      • Germany (since 2001)
      • Portugal (since 2001)1
      • The United Kingdom (to come into force in 2005)

      1 Portugal does not permit civil unions per se, but since 2001, same-sex couples who have been living together for more than two years are automatically considered to be in a common-law partnership.

      No recognition:

      • Czech Republic
      • Estonia
      • Greece
      • Hungary
      • Ireland
      • Italy
      • Latvia
      • Lithuania
      • Luxembourg
      • Poland
      • Slovakia
      • Slovenia
      • Spain

      "See a world of tanks, ruled by a world of banks." —Sol Invictus

      by Delirium on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 07:01:27 PM PDT

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