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  •  We lost the house, (none / 1)

    senate and white house to pro-life people and you think it's the "rare" in "safe, legal and rare" that's the problem?

    I'm not saying we lost because of abortion, but you seem to be. Are you saying that Dems would win more by focusing more on abortion rights?

    by Erin on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:09:38 AM PDT

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    •  yes, and other REAL principles (none / 0)

      absolutely. if the Dems actually stood up and said what they stood for--and stood strong-- they'd win more votes. If you look at opinion polls, alot of what W did was unpopular--but he beat Kerry. He beat Kerry b/c his message was "i mean what i say and i say what i mean"

      That goes a LONG way. esp in red states.

      The #1 hit that kerry kept taking over and over again was his "flip flopper" indecisive status. Its also why Rove was most afraid of running against Dean, who seemed to believe in what he said [bty, i didnt support dean, im just pointing that out]..

      those were good times, as far as we knew --colbert

      by AmericanHope on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:25:58 AM PDT

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      •  okay (none / 1)

        but that's just this last election cycle. And, I'd venture to say that abortion is the one issue that most people see both parties as sticking to their guns on. I've known a number of Catholic women who vote Republican solely on abortion - they see Democrats as hard line pro-abortion.

        In terms of a general perception of Dem wishy-washyness, I'd say it has to do with caving on labor issues and the mainstream media's parroting of Repub spin.

        by Erin on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:36:21 AM PDT

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