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  •  Great diary. (4.00 / 15)

    I wish it wasn't so late when no one else will read it.
    •  not if we recommend it! (4.00 / 2)

      which I have done.  anyone else want to join me?

      Head to Heading Left, BlogTalkRadio's progressive radio site!

      by thereisnospoon on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 12:48:34 AM PDT

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      •  It was the first (4.00 / 2)

        thing I did.
        •  Also carpet bombing open thread (none / 0)

          with alerts. Already on rec list now, I see.

          What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

          by melvin on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 01:06:01 AM PDT

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          •  Highly Recommended : (4.00 / 7)

            The Rosa Parks mythology is horribly pernicious.  

            The mythology holds that oppressed people just "rise up" :

            Bullcrap. People get informed and organized. THEN, they rise up.

            •  Recommended (4.00 / 3)

              I've long wondered what (if anything) to do about the myth. King and the handful of other local Civil Rights leaders in Montgomery had looked for the right person for the Bus segregation challenge. Rosa was bombproof as to her personal reputation and mind set. And so it was planned. Rosa executed it all alone, but her support group was there by the time she arrived at the police station.

              Rosa was even greater, more determined, more self-controlled, than the myth

            •  That myth serves a purpose. (4.00 / 8)

              It leads people to believe that they can't make a difference.  Their actions don't matter.  They don't matter.

              You find these stories everywhere, not just Rosa Parks: it's always some especially good or moral or clever individual who triumphs through a perfect confluence of circumstances.

              Now, you take someone who isn't raised in an environment of activism and doesn't really know how to connect with other activists or build a network.  If they really feel strongly about social change, they might try to find such a moment for themselves - the one moment when some brave and noble action will tip everything and set a cascade of events in motion...

              But it never happens, because it doesn't work that way, and so what you wind up with is idealism turned to cynicism, people believing nothing they do or say can make a difference because they are not as good - or as lucky - as a Rosa Parks.

              And really what they need - they just don't know it - is community.

              How can we get over it when people died for the right to vote? -- John Lewis

              by furryjester on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 06:00:50 AM PDT

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              •  no I disagree strongly (4.00 / 2)

                "It leads people to believe that they can't make a difference.  Their actions don't matter.  They don't matter."

                but this is NOT the lesson that people take from Mrs. Parks... they take that one person standing up to power CAN make a difference.

                And I'm sure that was intentional on the part of the organizers.  After all, they didn't have a unified mass refusal to give up a seat

                •  No, I don't think so. (4.00 / 6)

                  Have you ever tried to be that tipping point? to take that one spontaneous action of the myth that suddenly causes this avalanche of change? I bought into the childhood stories and tried multiple times, as a child and young adult, and it never worked.  Well, DUH, because I wasn't part of a community of activists.  Reality is that one person working alone can do very little.  One person working with a community of activists can accomplish a great deal.  To cut the community of activists out of the myth cuts out every iota of the individual's REAL power.

                  How can we get over it when people died for the right to vote? -- John Lewis

                  by furryjester on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 08:53:59 AM PDT

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      •  Recommended ... (none / 0)

        and I sent it to about 25 acquaintances to whom I believe it might have particular meaning.

        As someone who grew up in a family (very) active in the Civil Rights movement, I am embarassed (but glad) that I learned from this diary.

    •  It's made it well into EST daylight anyway (none / 0)

      Recommended, and top of the list this morning...

      "Civility costs nothing and buys everything." - Mary Wortley Montagu

      by sarac on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 05:45:17 AM PDT

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    •  Another interesting, little reported fact... (4.00 / 9)

      ...that I read in the newspaper this morning- to say that Rosa refused to give up her seat so a white man could sit in it is not quite correct-

      In those days, busses in Montgomery had three sections- the first four rows were reserved for whites, blacks were in the back, and there was a middle section, where blacks could sit, until a white person wanted to sit in that section, when the blacks had to clear out.

      (Apparently, it was not enough to have blacks in back, whites in front- the folks in charge back then didn't want the blacks anywhere near the whites- when the front rows were filled with whites and a black man wanted to ride the bus, he would have to pay his fare up front, then step back out of the bus and walk back around to the back door of the bus to get on, so that he wouldn't walk past the whites seated in front!)

      Anyway, that day, the front section was full, and a white went to the middle section where four blacks were sitting. By the rules, they all had to leave and go to the back of the bus, even though only one seat was needed. Three of the four did so, but Rosa, the fourth, refused.

      So it wasn't just that she refused to give her seat to a white man, she refused to empty the section so a white man could sit in a section without blacks.

      •  Yet Another Little Known Fact (4.00 / 3)

        Mrs. Parks worked for another one of my heroes - John Conyers for some 20 years.  His district office in Detroit I think since that's where she lived for many years.

        She retired in 1988 after many years of service.

        •  and yet another one (none / 0)

          Rosa Parks was a member of CPUSA.

          "Murder, considered a crime when people commit it singly, is transformed into a virtue when they do it en masse." St. Cyprian (200-258)

          by valleycat on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 03:22:27 PM PDT

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          •  Where did you hear that? (none / 0)

            I've never seen or heard that before. Where did you get that from?
            •  I have my sources.... (none / 0)

              I work for the PWW, the newspaper for the CPUSA, though I am not a member. I heard it from a national chair member that I work with. She may not have released that information widely, therefore it's not the policy of the party to "out" her, nevertheless, it is true. There is some information available on the web about her associations with the Highlander group.

              "Murder, considered a crime when people commit it singly, is transformed into a virtue when they do it en masse." St. Cyprian (200-258)

              by valleycat on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:16:06 AM PDT

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          •  Documentation please? (none / 0)

            Not that I think it's a terrible thing  - a number of my in-laws were members in those years. But it's something I wasn't aware of.

            The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

            by sidnora on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 05:17:15 AM PDT

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            •  I could tell you.... (none / 0)

              but then I'd have to kill you....
              No, really, I work for the PWW, the newspaper for the CPUSA and I was told it by a national chair member that I work with. (I am not a member of the party, just play one on, um, work...) Anyway, it was pretty common amongst activists of that time. She may not have made it publicly known, though. There is, however, information on the net about her associations with the Highlander group.

              "Murder, considered a crime when people commit it singly, is transformed into a virtue when they do it en masse." St. Cyprian (200-258)

              by valleycat on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:18:42 AM PDT

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