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To what lengths might these desperately poor people go to in order to meet their repayment obligations?
Might they deny their children the chance to go to school in order to work the business? Might they sell their children into prostitution?
Personally, I have no need to loan someone $100 to have it repaid. To my way of thinking, this is a traditional Republican concept. I would still prefer to give the $100 a gift.
Those who spend thousands of dollars on Christmas presents can afford to make some of those "presents" in the form of these gifts, thereby eliminating the need to wait for god-knows-how-long before sending out the same micro-amount to another deserving soul.
If you build a house of cards, people will move in.
by diamondpen on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:50:51 AM PDT
Republicans worship unconstrained capitalism to an obscene degree. That doesn't change the fact that giving people hope and oppurtunity then setting goals for them to achieve is a time tested way of helping people help themselves as the saying goes. If they repay the loan on time and the venture grows it usually makes them eligible for a larger loan should they need it in the future.
I read some research on this a few years ago, no links or even names of what the journals were. But in some societies (I think they were studying central asia) money loaned to women was much more likely to actually stay in their possession than money given to them. When it is a donation or a gift there is a strong pressure for the woman to share the majority of it across her extended family or else she is labeled selfish or a bad wife/mother/daughter etc.
When the money is loaned and must be repayed then it gives the woman justification to keep it and use it for the purpose it was intended. Money lending is understood most of the world over and defaulting is shameful or even perilous in most countries.
Again I'm writing from memory but that was the gist of their findings.
Lifting people out of poverty is a complex issue with more than enough room for both micro-credit and straight donations. But I don't think there is anything insidious in having the money repayed, especially since I'd wager the majority of people will roll it over into another loan.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon
by Windowdog on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:08:23 AM PDT
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"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin
by leevank on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 01:47:18 PM PDT
by doink on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:14:49 AM PDT
I'm no Republican! But I spent two years in a very poor country, seeing firsthand the serious limitations and drawbacks of charity, the frustrations it can create for people who can't get credit, to see money thrown at big projects by foreigners that don't really address the chronic local problems.
Charity is a bandaid. In an emergency it can be a lifesaver, and I give to my local food bank every month because I know there is immediate need, but it's not the answer to chronic poverty. Republicans love charity, they much prefer it to the institutional changes that create less need for charity!
Microcredit banks were created as such an institutional change. Banks are always there for those with collateral who want to invest in a new venture. Microcredit banks make that model available to the poor and destitute. Grameen was founded in India by Indians who were face to face with real daily problems of poverty and indentured servitude and it has worked wonders.
The Grameen Bank site has a lot of information on how people are expected to pay back loans. Destitute people (as opposed to the merely poor) are not even expected to join a group, make weekly payments or conform with many of the other regular rules, although women from a group may mentor that person to help them get off the ground.
"Civility costs nothing and buys everything." - Mary Wortley Montagu
by sarac on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:47:26 AM PDT
If you want to put more into the system as you describe in your last paragraph, more power to you. You're helping that many more people help themselves.
(-3.63, -3.03): Dkos' rabid right wing John McCain. The President lobbyists have been waiting for.
by someone else on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:56:47 AM PDT
Where it is feasable to pay the money back, it can be psychologically beneficial to the recipient to do so. Psychologically, it is better for people to feel self reliant than dependent. A lot of aid programs encourage cycles of dependency or even co-dependency (where the aid giver is psychologically addicted to having the recipient dependent). Some of the US safety net "entitlement" programs are constructed in such a way that it is difficult for people to climb out of them. Making it a loan encourages some business sense. There are times when a grant or overlooking a default may be appropriate. But it can help self-esteem if people are allowed to repay in some way. Do you want to give someone a fish or teach them to fish? Loan them a fishing reel, let them catch fish, sell them, and buy their own reel or pay you for the one borrowed. In underdeveloped countries it is often much easier to strike out on your own, if you just have access to a little capital, than it is here in the US. Another form of repayment is that you give someone money and then when they get back on their feet they are expected to do the same for someone else in need. Ultimately, repayments are usually likely to go into helping the next person out of poverty. Also, because it is a thought of as a loan the aid organizations are more likely to provide the necessary education to go with it rather than just throwing money at the problem.
Another example of this is time banking. This is a system where one hour of time is repaid with an hour of time. So, if you provide 4 hours of legal service to someone, they repay you with, perhaps, 4 hours of house cleaning. But to make things more efficient, the hours are banked so the services you need don't need to be the same as those they can provide. This system is exempt from taxes. "Stop creating dependencies; stop devaluing those whom you help while you profit from their troubles."
Banking and loans aren't bad. What is destructive in commercial banks is the management culture that says it is only about profit. What is bad is that people have to borrow with little chance of repayment because they are exploited just to provide temporary relief from permanent cashflow problems. What is bad is that people are encouraged to borrow and spend to create a facade of affluence to have any reasonable social standing.
-- -6.25, -6.36 Worst. President. Dictator. Ever.
by whitis on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:10:45 PM PDT
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by mole333 on Fri Oct 28, 2005 at 04:01:20 AM PDT
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