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  •  um...careful... (none / 1)

    you may not have "meant it that way," but this comment appears to come from the same mindset that kept women out of professional schools and jobs in this country well into the last century -- i can't waste this slot on you, you're not serious about this career, you're just going to leave to have babies, we need a man 'cuz they never make family a priority...etc.
    if people are entering the field and leaving, that is a problem for the field's numbers.  [significantly mitigated if the people come back in a few years, which the last time i checked was still the most popular option among professional American women who take leave to have a baby]. but if the pool of people for whom the field is an option has grown to include an add'l 51% of the population over  the last couple generations, isn't that good for the field's numbers?
    again, i don't mean this as a personal attack, i just want to note potential implications and misuses of the comment.

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    by decafdyke on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 06:56:32 AM PDT

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    •  I totally didn't mean it that way (none / 0)

      and I was worried that it might be misconstrued.  It's just that a higher percentage of women drop out of the workforce than men, and I was wondering how a higher number of women in scientific fields would affect the numbers of future scientists.

      I don't think that because people have a choice in staying home, it should disqualify them from whatever they want to study.  Everyone should get the best education in whatever field they want, regardless of sex or future professional plans.

      Thanks for giving me the opportunity to explain myself.

      "Soon the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. But Jimmy has fancy plans... and pants to match."

      by Dave Brown on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 08:36:53 AM PDT

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    •  Important issues you've raised- (4.00 / 2)

      and worthy of a diary all it's own.  
      i can't waste this slot on you, you're not serious about this career, you're just going to leave to have babies, we need a man 'cuz they never make family a priority...

      That's the workplace Catch-22 for us all - if you have babies or make family a priority then you're not serious about your career.  And women (sorry, but biology is destiny until men become able to gestate and lactate) are automatically in the line of fire.

      In highly technical fields (and probably academia as well - I'm in tech and can't speak to it), just a 2 year break can be crippling to your career. If you're not there to keep on top of rapidly changing technologies or if you're not publishing, you will be at a significant disadvantage.  This plays out in myriad negative ways downstream in your life. Count on fewer opportunities for advancement or tenure because you're now 'behind' in your field compared to those who didn't leave(or perceived that way - especially by the MBA management-types who never really understood what it was you do). And, further into the future, you will have fewer dollars and years of credit going towards your pension and retirement funds(eg, 401k).  Don't get me started on the compromises more and more of us face to keep affordable health care coverage for our families, either...

      I lived all of this when I had my son in 1981.   While maternity leave,etc, is certainly better accepted and available now, as long as family/child issues are primarily perceived as women's issues, we're sunk.  Until men take breaks in their careers to take care of their children to the extent that women do, and until the workplace becomes less hostile to families(yet another diary topic!), we will keep fighting this battle over and over and over again.

      Comfort the afflicted. Afflict the comfortable.

      by FindingMyVoice on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 08:47:08 AM PDT

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