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  •  I feel your pain. (none / 1)

    But I must say that that was a less than polite way of asking for polite debates.

    Meat puppet? Using your injuries?

    Hard to believe you took the extra second to capitalize POLITE.

    by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:20:16 PM PDT

    •  At times (none / 0)

      honesty will motivate.  And besides, it is true.  It will also motivate the media to consider holding the debates.  Her exploitation by the DCCC will make great headlines, and I do believe this Duckwoman needs to defend herself.

      Support five Democratic women of integrity in 2006.

      by formalist on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:21:54 PM PDT

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      •  That all may be true. (none / 0)

        But it doesn't actually address my point. An admission that Cegelis supporters have no serious intention of treating Duckworth politely, might, but this doesn't.

        by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:25:19 PM PDT

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        •  I do not believe (none / 0)

          we are obligated to treat an interloper politely.  Because I lived in the city of Chicago in Gutierrez's district from the ages of 12 through 17 and in Bobby Rush's district from the ages of 25 through the present, or for four years, I am very suspicious of candidates who are not from the local neighborhoods but are chosen by politicians in Washington, DC.  This Duckwoman seems to think she can dawn over the horizon and stake her claim in the sixth district.  It is insulting, and she must justify herself to other Chicagoland Democrats and to the residents of her district.  Gutierrez, Rush, Davis, Jackson, Lipinski, although he has problems, and even Emanuel are products of their neighborhoods.  This Duckwoman seems to have come from literally nowhere, and I do not believe she understands how northeast Illinois politics really operates.  She better justify this haphazard decision of hers.  And she better hope the Daley machine approves of her.

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          by formalist on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:32:36 PM PDT

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          •  You are... (none / 0)

            if you're going to make demands that she be polite.

            It's only fair. It's only... polite.

            And didn't you just say below that you're as much an "interloper" with respect to this race as she is?

            Bottom line: Demands for politeness in a letter so rude ring hollow. Surely as hollow as you think her candidacy is.

            I must say again, as I said earlier tonight, that the Cegelis campaign is quickly gaining a reputation as the most petulant and whiny in the blogosphere. Which is a shame because she has legitimate grievances. But the volume of complaint is overwhelming.

            And as I said when I first stated the objection, I'll be honest in saying I have no idea how else you might register those complaints. I only observe that anyone not already interested in the race who wanted to check the word on the "street" on Cegelis by poking around the blogs would find only bitching and moaning. Enough, in fact, to make one suspect that it is the chief strategy of the campaign.

            And that can't be good for anyone.

            by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:37:08 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, whining is only the beginning.... (none / 0)

              I at least will be heard. This is my district and its being fucked with by rabid neocon Lieberman Democrat that somehow is in charge of the DCCC. Its personal.

              by Tim the Democrat on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:40:42 PM PDT

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              •  Is that all? (none / 0)

                Aren't Obama and Durbin backing Duckworth, too?

                by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:42:08 PM PDT

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                •  No (none / 0)

                  Not officially.  Neither backs a primary candidate.  

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                  by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:08:34 AM PDT

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                •  Absolutely not!! Don't you dare spread that rumor. (none / 1)

                  Its bull, Its reason Number 26 I AM SO MAD AT RAHM. This is ALL Rahm's 'big plan' to win back the district. I swear, I don' understand why everyone isn't totally pissed off about this.

                  Duckworth SHOULD have been used to run in the districts WHERE WE DONT EVEN HAVE ONE CANDIDATE!.. What a waste! Now either Duckworth or Cegelis will be wasted! NOw both will have to waste money on the primary fight! That is a big cost, and if this BACKFIRES, well its all Rahms fault.

                  by Tim the Democrat on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:44:34 AM PDT

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                  •  OK. (none / 0)

                    Am I spreading a rumor? I was just asking.

                    I saw a post from a few days ago that said as much. I went back to look for it when you said that, and I noticed it pointed to this article, which says, "Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) first broached the idea of a congressional run with Duckworth, who, as his guest, sat in the House gallery at the State of the Union address last February."

                    It doesn't say Obama supports her, though. I'm not sure why the commenter I relied on said that.

                    by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:53:26 AM PDT

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                    •  he endorsed Cegelis (none / 1)

                      last year, and I thought he was her guest at the event.  I do not trust your source.

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                      by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:57:19 AM PDT

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                    •  he broached (none / 1)

                      the idea, but he did not endorse her.  there is a big difference, and i do not appreciate this attempt of yours to attribute statements to my senators.  now i see how terrible rumors are started.

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                      by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:02:10 AM PDT

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                      •  True. (none / 0)

                        That could be a very big difference.

                        Rumors do get started this way.

                        Also, they often get started with the use of the phrase, "at least that's what I heard."

                        by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:11:32 AM PDT

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                      •  But then again... (none / 0)

                        I found this one, too. Says, "Democrats outside Durbin's office, including Cegelis, say the senator and other Democrats in Washington support Duckworth."

                        by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:14:40 AM PDT

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                        •  But I do not see an official (none / 0)

                          endorsement anywhere.  Support is an ambiguous world.  I do not see the word endorsement.

                          Nowhere.

                          Out of touch.  Out of state.  Out of orbit.

                          Unhinged.

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                          by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:20:36 AM PDT

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                          •   Who's wrong here, you or Christine? (none / 0)

                            We're gonna hang this one on semantics? Fine.

                            I never said "endorsed."

                            I said "backing." Christine said "support."

                            Christine's lying? Or she can be right in the sense that "support" might not mean "back?"

                            by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:29:15 AM PDT

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                          •  By the way... (none / 0)

                            I can't believe you opted to go the semantic route, and you still fucked it up and said it was about an "endorsement," even though all the relevant terms were right there in writing.

                            You're terrible at this.

                            by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:30:49 AM PDT

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                            •  terrible at what (none / 1)

                              you just want an argument, and you will quote out of context in order to gain it.  i await official endorsements.  you just want to feel as if you won a diary argument.

                              LAME.  and a SHAME.  too willing to BLAME.

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                              by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:33:13 AM PDT

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                              •  Out of context. That's a good one. (none / 0)

                                Why don't we put it in context, then?

                                Duckworth, who lost both her legs while piloting a Black Hawk helicopter in Iraq, has applied to a medical review board at Walter Reed Army Medical Center to be released from duty.

                                She has received encouragement from leading Democrats to enter the race: She has spoken with Rep. Rahm Emanuel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; one of Sen. Dick Durbin's aides, David McDermott, is helping her. Emanuel and Durbin are Illinois Democrats.

                                A spokesman for Durbin said that the senator is not getting involved in the primary and that McDermott is taking vacation time to work for Duckworth. Democrats outside Durbin's office, including Cegelis, say the senator and other Democrats in Washington support Duckworth.

                                Cegelis said she was "very disappointed" with Emanuel and Durbin but added that she has not spoken with either lawmaker about the matter.

                                "I still feel, regardless, this is going to be decided by the Democratic voters in my district," she said. "I still believe that's the democratic process."

                                Yes. Yes, I see. That totally changes the meaning.

                                Why, I wonder, would she be "very disappointed" with Durbin?

                                by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:41:03 AM PDT

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                                •  That article is a DAMN LIE, You Rumour Spreader! (none / 1)

                                  Word du JOUR - PITY PUPPET

                                  Subject: Unbelievably biased and bad coverage...
                                  To: psavodnik@thehill.com

                                  What a confusing, non-article about a non-candidate. Basically a political partisan attack ad masking as news. Cegelis got Hyde to retire! She made this race. People DO know Cegelis in the district and when they find out what a craven, ridiculous move the DCCC is pulling they will react accordingly! Rahm is using national Democratic money to attack anti-war Democrats, like a 5th column. Which party is Rahm working for? Who are you working for?  Nameless Democrats...

                                  How dare you say Durbin isn't supporting Cegelis. He said he wasn't getting involved. Then you say he's for Duckworth. Then you say Cegelis said he's for Duckworth? But her quote doesn't say that. Could that be you putting words in her mouth?

                                  Durbin forced his staff to not help her on the job. Then you misrepresented the situation completely. Its a dishonest article and this Duckworth is the work of a neocon pro-war Democrats who think she can be controlled. Gee, they're moving her here. Paying for the signatures and trashing the candidate with a staff, 100 volunteers, grass roots support, you think she'll be indebted to them? A disgusting waste of precious national Democratic resources is the real story. Its about ignoring the will of the people of the 6th district and its about the hubris of neo-con Lieberman Democrats.

                                  Perhaps using vets as pity puppets plays in DC, but it doesn't here in the 6th district. People remember Christines' positions on the war and now Murtha and others are coming to the correct view on this war. Rahm and Joe Lieberman are working for Bush and for the continuation of the failed policies of the "Republican-lite" crowd.

                                  Duckworth was literally recruited at Walter Reid! Its the political version of ambulance chasing. Is she actually a candidate or is she a pawn. People will see thru this charade and we don't like carpetbaggers paid for by backstabbers and collaborators.

                                  Tim Johnson
                                  6th District resident

                                  by Tim the Democrat on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 02:16:02 AM PDT

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                            •  You say your not 'against' Christine.. But you're (none / 1)

                              acting like you're working for Duckworth..

                              Fess up.

                              by Tim the Democrat on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 02:18:05 AM PDT

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                              •  Fess up? (none / 0)

                                To what? I'm not working for anyone. And I told you exactly how I think you could improve your appeal and coordinate with the campaign to make a real impact.

                                Why would I do that if I were working for Duckworth?

                                Come on. You know that's an awful way to argue.

                                by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 09:59:02 AM PDT

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                                •  I'm asking you an honest question.... (none / 0)

                                  Noone wants their identity stolen so I can understand the need to fake names. You have an insider's knowledge and spreading Duckbreaths fake propaganda as news and using the "your not being polite" as an actual argument.

                                  Are you a paid political consultant, yes or no?

                                  What is your interest in the race?

                                  What is your name?

                                  WHo do you work for?

                                  Honest questions... Freindly, truth in advertising questions.

                                  Here are my answers..

                                  1. No
                                  2. Resident of 6th district, donor,  volunteer for Cegelis
                                  3. Tim Johnson
                                  4. I don't. I live on a small annuity and volunteer for disabled people. Hence, my interest in Democratic politics.

                                  That's me...Who are you and how and why are youso informed about this race?

                                  by Tim the Democrat on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:13:00 PM PDT

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                                  •  OK, sure. (none / 0)

                                    Here are my answers:

                                    1. No
                                    2. The same general interest I have in all challenger races that spend so much time fighting the DCCC without really knowing what it is and what they should and shouldn't expect of it -- that is, time lost beating one's head against a wall instead of pursuing better options.
                                    3. David, and for the time being, that's all I'm willing to reveal to the folks who make crazy accusations, call me a racist and a neocon, etc.
                                    4. I'm a freelance advertising copywriter.

                                    I'm no more informed about this race than anyone would be who read Daily Kos. I really don't think it takes any special knowledge to recognize that your letter wasn't all that polite.

                                    by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:53:45 PM PDT

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                                    •  I didn't call you a racist! And THANK YOU. (none / 0)

                                      ok. I really like knowing who/what I'm talking to.

                                      OK so its the DCCC. I used to give to them all the time! I thought it was a great way to support ALL democrats, ya know, with one donation. So have you worked for the DCCC? I know once a business pays for work, I tend to love it. Have you done any work with Rahm? Basically I haven't even noticed until they did this to my candidate! I'm just mad.

                                      The strategy of pander to the right and ignor the left was proven by Clinton. Hillaries doing it. I don't know, I don't think its gonna work everywhere. Maybe so in Lousiana. Like all generals, I do think they are fighting the last war, but I could be wrong. I think the left is in ascendence now and want so much for a Dean Dem to take it over. Thanks David for answering my personal questions.

                                      So, basically, its a disagreement about political strategy and the truth will out.

                                      So how do many hours a day do you write? Don't you get tired!

                                      by Tim the Democrat on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 10:46:26 PM PDT

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                                      •  No, you didn't. (none / 0)

                                        But that fact doesn't cover for it having been done. There are some strange folks here, and everywhere on the Internet, and when they come out, you're never really going to be tempted to just put your name out there. Unless it's Johnson. That'd be pretty safe.

                                        On to your questions.

                                        Ever worked for DCCC? No. Done any work with Rahm? No.

                                        How many hours a day do I write? As many as my infant son, who's at home with me, will allow.

                                        by Kagro X on Mon Dec 12, 2005 at 06:54:57 AM PDT

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                                  •  Oh, and... (none / 0)

                                    I have no political advertising clients.

                                    by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 01:54:41 PM PDT

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            •  Perhaps you (none / 0)

              are unable to understand how Chicago politics actually work.  And it seems as if Emanuel has forgotten.  Maybe it is time for me to write a few friends from the old neighborhood.  Believe me, those of us who were RAISED in Chicago can influence a suburban election, and I will do so if I have to.  By the way, my uncle is very close with Daley, and many of Daley's cronies are in Illinois 06.  Good luck, Duckwoman.

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              by formalist on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:40:58 PM PDT

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        •  We are being screwed, we have a right to be mad. (none / 0)

          She is a carpetbagger, an out-of distict nobody whose Iraq service and WOUNDS are being used IN EVERY SINGLE PRESS as though this is a qualification. Her candidacy will waste PRECIOUS MONEY, that would have been used against the Republican. She is Rahm Emmanual's hand picked means of ATTACKING an anti-war Dean Democrat.

          Its Emmanuel vs Dean. One is a proven, highly intelligent campaigner with an office, a staff and 100 volunteers that have been working for 2 years together. The other is a carpet bagger, meat puppet who is being used for now, to further the neocon Liberman agenda.

          by Tim the Democrat on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:36:09 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, yes, yes. (none / 0)

            You have a right to be mad.

            Just not one to demand that you get to yell and spit, but she has to curtsey and bow.

            by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:38:35 PM PDT

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            •  How dare you (none / 1)

              condescend to someone from Illinois 06.  You may be a blogger, but you are not involved in local Chicago politics.  And believe me, if you were, you would have no street credibility.  This is our election, and we will handle it they way we see fit.  

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              by formalist on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:46:31 PM PDT

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              •  Why not challenge me to a duel? (none / 1)

                You're not from IL-06, either. Though you do have an uncle, who... whatever.

                It's not your election. You said so already.

                And I'm not condescending. He has a right to be mad. But no matter where he's from, he should just drop the pretense and let the debates be dirty, if that's "the Chicago way."

                Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, wherever it lives. Or whoever its uncle may be.

                by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:48:42 PM PDT

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                •  I am just explaining (none / 0)

                  why you should allow Illinois 06 to have a dirty primary.  Rahm wants it, the residents want it, those who are disappointed with Melissa Bean want it, and I am the old guard in Chicago will want it, for they will want to know who Duckskank will answer to.  I want it, and I want Cegelis to destroy her.

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                  by formalist on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:54:01 PM PDT

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                •  Are you the rude police? (none / 1)

                  Not nice to meet you.

                  by Tim the Democrat on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:54:20 PM PDT

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                  •  I prefer hypocrisy cop. (none / 0)

                    And you're busted.

                    Yes, yes, I know you don't care. But then again, that was perfectly obvious from your letter.

                    A letter, by the way, that attempted to set you up as the politeness police.

                    You don't get as good as you give, though.

                    by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:58:03 PM PDT

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                    •  Again, why (none / 1)

                      should he be concerned about our rejection of Duckwoman?  Why is he suddenly concerned with comity, when he is hostile to so many visitors to this site?  The letter will generate headlines, and Chicago's NPR will want to cover this race, as they have a deep interest in Chicago politics.  And besides, Cegelis has already visited our local NPR stations for interviews.  So Duckwoman will have to have a debate with Cegelis, and she will have to justify her invasion, military style, of the sixth district and of Chicagoland.  I refuse to have Emanuel stick his fingers in a neighboring district, because he will probably do it in mine if he gets his choice.  

                      Those who refuse to understand our concerns are simply unaware of why Chicago politics and the Chicago machine works so well.  Our candidates come from the neighborhoods, not from DC.  This is why we have such loyal voters.  Rahm is ruining this.

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                      by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:02:43 AM PDT

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                      •  NPR!! That is a GREAT IDEA!! (none / 0)

                        I forgot about NPR! What a great idea.. Thank you..

                        I'll write a nice polite letter to them. Its gonna be a NATIONAL STORY! I mean really Duckworth's story is great. The issues are great.

                        I'm totally serious, if Tammy beats Christine, I will support the winner. I'm good Democrat.

                        by Tim the Democrat on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:12:32 AM PDT

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            •  No, She can hide behind her disability and Veteran (none / 1)

              status and we will have no choice but to raise awareness of the actual agenda.

              Or she can be a 'fighting Dem' and fight it out.  Secondly my letter IS MINE! I'm a RUDE mother. People don't like me, and you know what? I could care less. My objective is to question her competance and legitimacy. Not to make freinds or be polite.

              Thirdly, This "Fighting Dems" Kos and meat puppet shouldn't qualify until she proves herself in a debate. I, for one, are not going to ALLOW the media to ignor my candidate

              IN FACT I REFUSE TO BE POLITE ABOUT THIS AT ALL.... She's trying to skate in here and steal the 6th district organization that I helped built and until she debates, its extra rude.

              Christine is a sweetheart and very polite and that's why i'm just a supporter. She has a great staff and they're pro's. SEE I'm not a pro!

              I'm just a person, with a computer and an opinion. If the Democrats are ANYTHING, they are antiwar and prochoice... So its only about issues for me. And the media.. so I'm asking KOS Liberals to help talk to the Radio and TV places. If she refuses, well then I'm right to be rude.

              So.. Do you want a Lieberman neocon to skate in on a pity vote or do you want a real debate. Other than that I have little to post here at this time.  

              I'm not nice. I'm not a politician. I believe in telling the truth in plain speak. That's requires a certain directness alot people find offensive. Hence I have few freinds.

              by Tim the Democrat on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:52:22 PM PDT

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              •  Nobody says the letter isn't yours. (none / 0)

                I just say it's nonsensical.

                You don't see the ridiculousness in posting your letter demanding polite debates, and then following up with declarations about what a "RUDE mother" you are?

                If you want to be rude, by all means, be rude. Send her rude letters, if you like. But do yourself a favor and drop the demands that everyone else be polite while you give yourself license to do as you please.

                Either everyone gets that license, or no one does. That's all. For me, this issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the candidates.

                by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:03:03 AM PDT

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                •  Thank you for (none / 1)

                  your input.  Too bad it is utterly irrelevant.  Why do you and your little friends at the Last Hurrah insist on penetrating diaries and invaginating them with your vitriol?  All of you behave in this contrary manner that detracts from the actually issue and directs the focus upon yourselves.  I find it ridiculous, and I wish all of you would learn respect diarists.  Now, you desire to discuss hypocrisy?

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                  by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:07:07 AM PDT

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                  •  I desire to discuss this letter. (none / 0)

                    Does respecting diarists mean leaving them alone to let their letters evaporate into the ether?

                    Why not engage, and see if you can get a diarist to agree that there might be a contrary point he didn't recognize, and that might make his letter writing campaign more effective?

                    To keep you comfortable?

                    by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:09:04 AM PDT

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                    •  No (none / 1)

                      You and your little friends enter each and every Cegelis diary and just assume the contrary position.  It is not productive.  We are here to mobilize people against Duckbreath, and you apparently want to distract us from the real problem.

                      You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.  

                      And besides, if the media receives the letter, they will have to investigate.  And it is already an issue in the local news.  I have heard two reports on Cegelis and Duckworth already.  So it will occur, and Tim is just feeding the fire.  

                      So your petty concern has alrady been addressed, but you did not receive the answer you sought.  Too bad.  We explained why she has to respect us, and I just explained why we do not necessarily have to respect her.  This does not reflect poorly on Cegelis, and it does not reflect poorly upon anyone who does not understand why Rahm and his supporters believe they can disenfranchise an entire district and an entire region.  

                      Your questioned was answered.  Now go disrupt another diary.

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                      by formalist on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:14:17 AM PDT

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    •  I PROMISE not to call her a meat puppet again if (none / 0)

      she does the debates. I will also promise her my vote at least if she wins the primary.

      Otherwise, she is a meat puppet. Truth is hard; I calls em like I sees em. The fact that she is being relocated into the district. The out-of-town petition drive. The Monied interests backing her. All point to meat puppet.

      I really can hardly wait for her to open her mouth and say something. It'll be like Pinocchio talking for the first time. She might be great. She might suck.

      by Tim the Democrat on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:28:45 PM PDT

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      •  Fine. (none / 0)

        Call 'em any way you like. But be fair and drop your saccharine demands for politeness from her if you're not offering any.

        by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:30:33 PM PDT

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        •  The demands (none / 0)

          may be sanctimonious, but they are certainly not saccharine.  Malapropisms are not attractive.  

          www.oed.com

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          by formalist on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:34:33 PM PDT

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        •  I'm me. I represent ME. I am going to get this (none / 1)

          NATIONAL PRESS. Meat Puppet gets that. Prove me to she isn't a meat puppet. Otherwise its Meat Puppet.

          by Tim the Democrat on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:37:30 PM PDT

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          •  I can see that. (none / 0)

            But you also represent your candidate. I'm sure they tell you that as a volunteer.

            And right now, it looks like crap. I know you don't care. But I'll bet Christine does.

            by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:39:39 PM PDT

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            •  I do not represent (none / 1)

              Christine, but I do represent a concerned Chicagoan who believes neighborhood politics and neighborhood candidates are our best representatives.  And this Duckwoman, whatever she is, is not a local Chicago candidate.  She has not earned her time, and I do not believe she will help the greater Chicagoland area.  The Chicago delegation works quite well together, and I doubt this Duckwoman has the skills or the knowledge to work well with my Representative.  This is a regional issue, and I will not have someone who resides outside of Chicago tell me how local politics should operate.  You apparently never witnessed a Chicago election.  We play dirty, especially with outsiders.

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              by formalist on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:44:32 PM PDT

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              •  Eek. (none / 0)

                I must hide.

                I've never experienced a rough or dirty election, coming as I do from Essex County, New Jersey.

                Goodness me, the Chicago people are going to get me! And when they do, I'm sure they'll explain to me why having an uncle who knows Daley means it's not retarded to write letters that say, "Dear Meat Puppet -- be polite!"

                by Kagro X on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 11:46:59 PM PDT

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            •  I have certain skills.... (none / 1)

              and enjoy my craft with relish...

              Remember the Dean campaign? That's my kind of thing, raucous and loud.  Have you ever met Christine? People wont give a crap about me once they see her. See like the people, esp here in Chicago 6th are really, really pumped about Hyde finally leaving.

              No what I do has no bearing whatsoever on anything in the Campaign. Yes Christine's supporters are irate anti-war fanatics. Rude too! Guilty as charged!

              Christine is a passionate, highly intelligent, mother, liberal, business person and a fantastic candidate. Her supporters (including rude ones) are clamouring for her to be on LIVE with Duckworth! That's the point. Sorry about the rudeness, but go f((( yourself! ooops, sorry, I have Turrets of the keyboard.

              by Tim the Democrat on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:08:47 AM PDT

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              •  I'm sure you do. (none / 1)

                Might I suggest that persuasive writing is not one of them?

                Anybody can be rude. We can all do it. And some even better than others.

                I merely entertained the notion, briefly, that you might be interested in being a more effective advocate for your candidate. I see now that this is an exercise in self-indulgence, and that you're honing your "craft," as opposed to genuinely trying to help.

                Here's hoping for Christine's sake that she has others who can step up in your place.

                by Kagro X on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:11:50 AM PDT

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