Daily Kos :: Comments For Immediate Release: The Jeff Gannon Controversy

I think you should rename it to: (4.00 / 9)

"The Jeff Gannon Controversy: A Primer for the Press or Beginners"
Make it real easy and simple for newbies....

Wars not make one great. - Yoda

by Volvo Liberal on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 07:43:41 PM PDT
- Many Thanks..... (4.00 / 57)
  
  Who said this isn't a democracy?
  
  Gregoire ~ Powers
  
  by NYBri on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 08:07:43 PM PDT
  
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  - Awesome. (none / 0)
    
    Glad you liked the suggestion....
    
    Wars not make one great. - Yoda
    
    by Volvo Liberal on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 08:17:39 PM PDT
    
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    - Wow this is working (none / 1)
      
      blogs.guardian.co.uk :
      
      For the liberals this is, as a Daily Kos press release puts it (yes, Kos now has press releases), "part of a larger story" that includes the Bush administration paying friendly jour
      
      by dddemocrat on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 02:49:41 PM PDT
      
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  - one comment... (none / 1)
    
    perhaps add one last paragraph..with a sum up and letting them know this is an on going investigation with more details to follow.
    
    It's Obamazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    by Chamonix on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 08:36:01 PM PDT
    
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    - Make sure the press knows this (3.80 / 5)
      
      The key question is not
      "Was he a journalist or an amateur?"
      but
      "Was he a journalist or a plant? If so, who planted him?"
      
      by Smallbottle on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:14:29 PM PDT
      
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      - Ironic (none / 1)
        
        You all are more qualified as reporters than Jeff Gannon.
        
        Pride goeth before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:8
        
        by PJ 7 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 11:20:44 PM PDT
        
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        Not so fast! (none / 1)
        
        How many of us have completed the $50 Journalism class from purple heart band-aid guy? Not very many I think!
        
        "Efficiency is the steak. Renewables are the sizzle." --Carl Pope, Sierra Club
        
        by Red Herring on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 01:15:31 AM PDT
        
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        I have a band-aid (none / 1)
        
        and a purple marker so I'm good to go.
        
        Blood 4 Oil War 2
        
        by TXsharon on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 03:50:46 AM PDT
        
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        Journalism creds? (none / 0)
        
        I wrote for my HS newspaper.
        Does that count?
        
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        by kredwyn on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 05:08:27 PM PDT
        
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        Me too (none / 0)
        
        And the full 2 pages were published in the Sun Sentinel once a week. (Ft. Lauderdale-Pompano). It was pretty exciting to see your bi-line.
        Then I went into Accounting and my first major job was with the same paper. I just didn't get to write the stories. Should have taken the 2 day course. Ha!
        
        I'm voting for the Democrat! End of story!
        
        by BarnBabe on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 08:05:08 PM PDT
        
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        And, PJ 7, (none / 0)
        
        how many of them use their real names? ;)
        
        In Iraq, it's a dry heat. And the language that none of our troops or diplomats speak is Arabic rather than Vietnamese.--Daniel Ellsburg
        
        by ankylosaurus on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 08:21:10 AM PDT
        
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        That is my real name (none / 0)
        
        PJ are my first 2 initials, and 7 is so I am lucky. As far as I am concerned I am legit! Where is my press pass.
        
        Pride goeth before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:8
        
        by PJ 7 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 05:34:21 PM PDT
        
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        Geez, I even have more EXPERIENCE (none / 0)
        
        than he does! Stringers count, right?
        
        Tarheel born, tarheel bred! And when I die, I'll be tarheel dead.
        
        by NCYellowDog on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 05:20:28 PM PDT
        
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      - He was a paid activist. (none / 0)
        
        Will the elite be happy living behind gated communities in the potential meltdown? Peace now. -7.00, -2.92
        
        by mattes on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 09:47:55 AM PDT
        
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    - Check out the story by On The Media - WNYC (none / 0)
      
      house plant
      They ran an interview with Gannon tonight. Look at the last segment. You can download a MP3 of the radio story if you wish.
      Also, Stephanie Millier was talking about the Gannon story on Air America yesterday.
      
      Congregamus ergo sumus.
      
      by biotecchie on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 09:21:59 PM PDT
      
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      - I saw (none / 0)
        
        a story that the "school" where Guckert trained for two days in journalism was operated by Karl Rove's mentor. Was that just a coincidence that he attended that particular school? Hard to buy that.
        Does someone have the link to that story--I can't recall where I read it?
        
        Never underestimate people. They do desire the cut of truth. Natalie Goldberg
        
        by Carolyn on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 05:44:08 AM PDT
        
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  - You May Be In the First Baby Steps (4.00 / 3)
    
    of something new, bigger than a journalism project.
    Very often pioneers are only trying to get the familiar world to work better for people. Sometimes that's what results in creating a new world.
    
    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"
    
    by Gooserock on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:35:41 PM PDT
    
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    - Absolutely (none / 1)
      
      This story has proven the concept of open-source research combined with the distributed processing ability of blogs. Pulitzer for DailyKos!
      
      McCain: Less jobs, more war.
      
      by Unstable Isotope on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 05:45:47 PM PDT
      
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  - I'm thinking you (none / 0)
    
    should add some links in the body here. Obviously that won't work on a fax but it can here. Make the trail easier to follow when someone has an intern doing the grunt work for them.
    
    by Mike S on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 12:10:59 AM PDT
    
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  - Propagandagate (none / 0)
    
    I think we should put Propagandagate in the title of anything involving bribing reporters, producing fake news, or Jeff Gannon.
    
    by qw3rty on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 09:08:57 AM PDT
    
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    - eh... (none / 0)
      
      -gate is really too overdone.
      I like propagannon as a name but we shouldn't limit ourselves to gannon.
      that's just my opinion.
      
      I got nothing.
      
      by DawnG on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 03:13:38 PM PDT
      
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- Or rename it (none / 0)
  
  How the New Media Works
  
  by ElPocho on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 03:31:23 AM PDT
  
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  - or name it (none / 0)
    
    HOW THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE WORKS
    
    by TRMoose on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 06:19:58 AM PDT
    
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    - oh oh! (none / 0)
      
      Inspiration!
      how about calling it "The Running Men" after the movie "the running man" since there are so many parallels of deception and bad Television and editing to promote propaganda.
      
      I got nothing.
      
      by DawnG on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 03:15:07 PM PDT
      
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    - vast right wing conspiracy (none / 0)
      
      is what it should be called. h clinton laid down the gauntlet for anyone who was willing to unravel it.
      
      by let the golden age begin on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 10:06:38 PM PDT
      
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- The Name (none / 1)
  
  I know I am late on this -- had to get my child to school, but I really think the current name is really insulting to the press and therefore will not advance our agenda. To compare the press to beginners (although perhaps true) will not be perceived as helpful, but as arrogant -- the general slam on the left.
  Simply, "A Primer" would, it seems, be better.
  If I am too late, sorry for the intrusion....
  
  Save your tears for the living
  
  by immanentize on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 04:51:41 AM PDT
  
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  - Blowing it in the home stretch (none / 0)
    
    I agree with the remarks on the tone of the title. The 'in your face MSM' tone is apparent and not professional.
    Tremendous amounts of research and coordination went into this effort, and is IMHO, offset by the tone of the title. Exuberance is not a vice. All involved should be commended for their work. A straight forward title would have been more effective. I know. I have a great deal of experience shooting myself in the foot.
    
    Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else. --Will Rogers
    
    by groggy on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 05:45:36 AM PDT
    
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    - Title (none / 0)
      
      YES! to Groggy and Immam...
      Also, rather than 'Williams admitted that "there are others"' I would suggest that "Williams alledged.." is a more accurate statement.
      And is anyone on Kos finding out who the others might be?
      
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      by redstaterabroad on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 06:52:03 AM PDT
      
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      - I agree (none / 0)
        
        that there is a self-congratulatory tone that makes it sound less professional as a press release.
        Plus it doesn't mention efforts on other blogs which also furthered the story.
        Other than that, I think it is concise and to the point.
        thanks for the hard work.
        
        Never underestimate people. They do desire the cut of truth. Natalie Goldberg
        
        by Carolyn on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 05:47:25 AM PDT
        
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  - "beginners, newbies, etc" (none / 0)
    
    I don't think it sounds insulting personally. I think the reference to beginners is great because it opens the door for excited newcomers to come into the world of activist blogging. I'm kind of new, so the word beginner makes me feel as if I too can be part of this movement. Just a thought....regards.
    
    my favorite local blog Scrutiny Hooligans
    
    by randallt on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 08:16:19 AM PDT
    
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  - Good point! (none / 0)
    
    An alternative word that the press is fond of is BRIEF or BREIFING.
    
    by DFWmom on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 08:25:09 AM PDT
    
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  - The Name (none / 0)
    
    My only quibble w/ "Primer" in the title is its inaccuracy. The press doesn't lack the knowledge or resources to pursue such stories on their own. Rather, they lack the courage.
    To expose a possible shill for the President masquerading as a reporter requires some nerve. If the press lacked the integrity to possibly save lives by questioning the administration's fraudulent WMD claims, why would it trouble itself with someone seemingly lobbing softball questions to the President? Such exposes tend to anger the powers that be and that could affect the media's bottom line.
    So this is not a matter about the press being inept or ill equipped. It's a matter about courage and integrity. That's what should be reflected in the title.
    
    Dana Garrett http://delawarewatch.blogspot.com/
    
    by Dana Garrett on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 01:45:11 PM PDT
    
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    - in honor of arthur miller (none / 0)
      
      how about engagement???
      james lipton said that miller was a true existentialist because he confronted indifference with engagement.
      this is what we need at this time in our history.
      
      by let the golden age begin on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 10:12:43 PM PDT
      
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- newbies at the NYT (none / 0)
  
  NYT disposed on the Talon/Gannon story today in a few column inches tucked away on the bottom of page A20.
  The only way you would stumble across the story would be if you followed the jump on the class action lawsuit story.
  Although it's one step up from running on Saturday, getting placed at the bottom right of page A20 right before he weekend is not an auspicious beginning.
  Katharine Q. Seelye, who wrote the NYT story, is cleary is need of instruction on how to proceed.
  
  by nyctex on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 08:59:48 AM PDT
  
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Many Thanks..... (4.00 / 57)

Awesome. (none / 0)

Wow this is working (none / 1)

one comment... (none / 1)

Make sure the press knows this (3.80 / 5)

Ironic (none / 1)

Not so fast! (none / 1)

I have a band-aid (none / 1)

Journalism creds? (none / 0)

Me too (none / 0)

And, PJ 7, (none / 0)

That is my real name (none / 0)

Geez, I even have more EXPERIENCE (none / 0)

He was a paid activist. (none / 0)

Check out the story by On The Media - WNYC (none / 0)

I saw (none / 0)

You May Be In the First Baby Steps (4.00 / 3)

Absolutely (none / 1)

I'm thinking you (none / 0)

Propagandagate (none / 0)

eh... (none / 0)

Or rename it (none / 0)

or name it (none / 0)

oh oh! (none / 0)

vast right wing conspiracy (none / 0)

The Name (none / 1)

Blowing it in the home stretch (none / 0)

Title (none / 0)

I agree (none / 0)

"beginners, newbies, etc" (none / 0)

Good point! (none / 0)

The Name (none / 0)

in honor of arthur miller (none / 0)

newbies at the NYT (none / 0)

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