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  •  I didn't remember (none / 0)

    people lashing out at Hillary, but I remember people lashing out at Kerry when he expressed much the same thing on abortion.

    by Noisy Democrat on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 07:14:15 PM PDT

    •  Most folks didn't lash out at Hillary (none / 0)

      But please don't go bursting ARingMD2B's self-righteous balloon...

      by Bob Johnson on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 07:22:47 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know what you and... (none / 0)

        ... Noisy Democrat would call it, but from my recollection "lashing out" is putting it mildly.

        by Jim Riggs on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 08:31:49 PM PDT

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        •  Not in the diary cited (none / 0)

          ...

          by Bob Johnson on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 08:32:34 PM PDT

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          •  From the Diary: (none / 0)

            What a waste of our time with the 'jellyfish' wing wanting to find some laughable, non-existent 'common ground'.

            pander bear

            Hillary watered down the issue of pro-choice unto a Republican-lite palatable version then she out right pandered to the Republican Fundalmentalist by advocating a known harmful strategy for teenagers. No.

            Still, there was something .... well, Clintonesque  about it that made me queezy.  And you nailed it: she didn't make new frames.  She just plugged my viewpoint into their frames.  Not good enough.  That's what makes it sound so weak.

            the clintonian prochoice movement IS POWERLESS. thats why they're forced to pander.

            Hillary Clinton was not pandering.

            Give it up already Bob.

            by ARingMD2B on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 08:46:31 PM PDT

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            •  Look, pal (none / 0)

              You can edit your diary all you want when called out on your bullshit.

              But what you originally posted here implied that nearly all of kos ripped Clinton for her remarks.  And your original diary, as cited below in my post that contained your original text, implied as much.

              One poster a community does not make.

              Good luck.

              by Bob Johnson on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 08:57:08 PM PDT

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              •  Bob (none / 1)

                You're absoultely right, I edited my diary on your suggestion. One would think this would make you happy. Alas, it does not. I guess I'm not a real diarist unless I stick to my guns, even when, as you correctly pointed out, I was originally wrong. Are you really insisting that I should not have changed my diary? And yes, Bob, much, if not most of the Kos community was very pissed when Hillary said what she did.

                Seriously, what is your problem?

                by ARingMD2B on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 09:03:03 PM PDT

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              •  I don't see what Hillary's pandering (4.00 / 2)

                has to do with Howard Dean trying to frame a theme for the Democratic Party anyway.

                And no, before someone chimes in, what Howard Dean just said in that article abobe isn't equivalent at all to Hillary's faith-based initiative support (I think Dean supported those with some caveats--though I don't recall him making a big deal out of it in the way Hillary did about about the constitution), or her going on about how sad abortion is and a tragic choice for many women, or that religion is the primary way to stay abstinent.

                Anyhow, Dean's job now is to back up the Hillarys, Bayhs, Liebermans, and the Kucinichs the Party if he ever gets called on it.

                Shrug

                Internet, n., A series of tubes invented by Al Gore; not a truck. "I mailed an Internet to my friend."

                by Viktor on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 09:10:24 PM PDT

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          •  Ok, that's what I get for... (none / 0)

            ... not reading the link. I went back and checked and the diary I was referring to was by cybermome1207 on 1/25.

            I still think what Hillary said makes a lot of sense, but Lois certainly didn't agree with me. She accused me of not caring about women's health issues and wanting to recriminalize abortion because I think trying to reduce the number of abortions is a worthwhile cause.

            by Jim Riggs on Mon Feb 14, 2005 at 03:43:39 PM PDT

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