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  •  aoeu (4.00 / 3)

    Bob, you're gonna hurt his feelings.

    turtles consider
    every single vote deeply
    yet always vote dem

    by TealVeal on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 07:44:07 PM PDT

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    •  I feel vindicated (none / 1)

      Heh-heh...

      Actually 47 comments out of 96 in the referenced diary were from AmericanHope or ARingMD2B.

      Not quite half.

      by Bob Johnson on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 07:46:14 PM PDT

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      •  There were over 20 unique IDs (none / 0)

        who commented in the diary. By my quick count 23. That's much better than the average diary (of course nothing like a recommended diary, but I make no pretense to being able to write that well). Why do you have to be so petty? I am simply pointing out that many Kossacks are quick to pounce on Dems like Hillary for "moving to the right" (which she didn't) but turn a blind eye when Dean does the exact same thing. It kinda reminds me of Freepers.

        I'm not ragging on Dean for saying what he did. I'm glad he said it, and, of course, I'm a huge Dean supporter. I just hate to see this blog atrophy into the same intellectual hypocrisy as the right.

        by ARingMD2B on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 08:03:22 PM PDT

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        •  How many posted negatively on Hillary? (none / 0)

          That was the point of your diary.  You were "vindicated" because you claimed that most of the poster on kos lambasted Hillary for her comments.

          And you continue your unsupported nonsense in this post.

          And you want to call me petty for pointing out that you overgeneralized (before you edited your diary)?

          I'd say your posting of this diary was the real petty thing going on here.

          by Bob Johnson on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 08:08:03 PM PDT

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          •  At least 12 of the 20 or so posters (none / 0)

            spoke to varying degrees of negativity toward Hillary. More than 3 praised abortion as a universally good practice. One poster even went as far as to suggest that Howard Dean would never say something like this.

            I observed, anecdotally, that about half of all Kossacks responded negatively to Hillary's statement. I did not, in my diary, specify and exact percent or any such figure. I said "some of you" lashed out at Hillary, which was absolutely true, as evidenced by my linked diary.

            Yes, my diary was originally rather inflammatory. Yes, I changed it after seeing the initial response (largely thanks to you). There is nothing wrong with this. In fact, many would argue this is the whole point of being able to edit diaries.

            Seriously, don't you have something better to do than point out that I was initially self-righteous but then modified my tone?

            by ARingMD2B on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 08:22:53 PM PDT

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            •  cite? n/t (none / 0)

              More than 3 praised abortion as a universally good practice.

              by colleen on Mon Feb 14, 2005 at 03:50:04 AM PDT

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              •  Sure thing: (none / 0)

                Number 1

                ABORTION IS A GOOD THING (none / 0)

                why does that bother you?

                why do you want to run people's lives:?

                THERE AREN'T ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE WORLD FOR YOU?

                THERE AREN'T ENOUGH MALLS?

                THERE ISN'T ENOUGH URBAN SPRAWL?

                abortion saves lives
                abortion prevents lives turning tragic
                aborting a cell cluster means having
                a child when the mother feels ready and financially secure.

                Number 2

                Abortion IS NOT A PROBLEM. it is a SOLUTION. abortion is reproductive FREEDOM.

                Number 3

                As someone who's worked in clinics since 1976, I'm sick of people apologizing for abortion.  It's a medical procedure that many women choose when they don't want to carry a pregnancy to term.  It doesn't have to be an "unwanted" pregnancy".  The only "tragic" abortions are the "wanted" pregnancies that go horribly awry and have to be terminated in the later stages... those "nasty" partial birth abortions.
                ...
                Abortion is empowering, and only when liberals and pro-choicers support it unapologetically will women getting abortions feel dignified about their choice and be ripe for politicizing.

                by ARingMD2B on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 11:01:00 AM PDT

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        •  bah (none / 1)

          Why do you have to be so petty?

          ironic

          I am simply pointing out that many Kossacks are quick to pounce on Dems like Hillary for "moving to the right" (which she didn't) but turn a blind eye when Dean does the exact same thing. It kinda reminds me of Freepers.

          Oh please. Dean did not say the exact same thing. He didn't attribute all abortions to some mythical percentage of women too irresponsible to use contraceptives (and in a political climate where we are being forced to pay pre-orgasmic fundie women to not teach about contraception) and he did not lie about religion being the best force for abstinence (a fact which is demonstrated by the fact that the vast majority of 'abstinence' pledges are broken rather quickly)
          She didn't mention that the number of abortions has increased under the thumb of Bush and  careful guidance of the fundies, she did not examine the reasons why this is so. What she did do was set the stage for a political atmosphere in which abortion will be treated by the dems in the same manner they dealt with welfare deformation. Women who turn up pregnant will be villified and demonized as 'irresponsible', the male contribution will never be mentioned and Burger King will have an influx of desperate and poor potential employees. And that is the typical 'centrist' style of triangulation on social issues.

          All Howard Dean said what that nobody is pro-abortion and that is the absolute truth. Get it? Dean will defend with compassion and common sense and honesty, hillary, like her husband, will sacrifice the poor and ignorant to score mythical political points. That's what 'centrist' triangulation does. It sets up whole classes of people like 'welfare queens' for everyone to hate and villify. You might find this acceptable leadership but those of us who actually care about individual lives and poverty issues do not believe this sort of thing does much to advance the dialogue.

          by colleen on Mon Feb 14, 2005 at 03:46:30 AM PDT

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