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The issue is what does Summers have to do with that? He is not in the business of creating hypothesis for study of genetics and biology. He's the President of the University.
And as President of the University, he has some explaining to do about Harvard's problems attracting women for the sciences. You see, while htere is a general problem, Harvard's is worse than most.
Did you see the NYT's editorial? I think any reasonable attempt to defend Summers MUST address those points. You simply do not here.
That in particular is why I object to your title. You don't deal with the issue of sexism in the least.
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by Armando on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:19:53 PM PDT
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The issue is not whether the science should be undertaken - of course it should if the sicentist think it is worthwhile.
I agree that it's not really an issue, though some (such as Mr. Boyle) seem to think it is.
That's not the issue, or at least not the one I care about. As I said in a lower response to you, I'm not trying to reach any judgment about Summers here. I'm simply trying to incorporate what he said into a discussion about sexism/feminism, and use it as a bit of dialogue-kindling.
Perhaps, but why is it up to him to explain? University presidents, by and large, have only one real official role: raising cash. They don't really set policy, they're just a figurehead that tries to get the big donors. Harvard may have a systemic problem, but it's not one you can pin on Summers, and in any case it's not one I think you can really pin on anyone or solve immediately. It's an issue that has improved with time, and I think will continue to do so. I'm not saying we shouldn't fight to improve the situation, but different problems require different approaches.
I did not see it prior to writing this: I've now briefly perused it, and might address some of them. Suffice it to say that, again, I am not defending Summers. I am using his words as a starting point, and saying that many of his critics seem misguided, but that is a far cry from defending him. Though I do think that, even though his comments were controversial, he is a far cry from some TV show host. He did at least frame them in a rather intellectual manner, which is much more than the likes of Jerry Springer do.
Again, objection noted, and again, the title was purposefully general. I really couldn't think of what else to title it. I suppose "Feminism" might have been more appropriate, but then I'd have likely come off as even more chauvinistic to the folks who seem to be bothered by my post.
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by Aaron on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 07:11:24 AM PDT
Nice talking to you.
by Armando on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 11:39:20 AM PDT
There's a difference between talking about somebody's ideas and talking about somebody: for example, philosophers discuss Plato pretty often, but they don't talk much about his actual personal qualities or lifestyle (man-boy love, whatever else). They talk about his ideas, his words.
by Aaron on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 12:00:02 PM PDT
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