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  •  Can you be self-ish without self? (none / 0)

    Clearly kids are different, and placed in similar environments each will react differently. But I do not believe that some babies are inherently evil. Some may be more predisposed to reacting with fear. Some may be more predisposed to responding physically more than verbally. But they're responding to the world. And ultimately they're learning cause and effect.

    To me, selfishness is learned. Hmmm, I picked up this toy and now I can play with it. The greater frame of cooperation etc. then also must be learned.

    But it seems that people want to learn these things. People want to cooperate. People want to build a collective and create and help each other and make the world a little better and easier. Some of that comes from selfishness, sure. But I think there's more to it than "oh life is nasty, brutish and short, so I'm gonna join a gang" -- the selfish motivation of cooperation.

    Just a different view.

    •  There are schools of thought (none / 0)

      that say that ALL human action is motivated by positive self desire; that is that any action you, I or even Mother Theresa (RIP) takes is driven by the desire to progress the actor's life, happiness or interests. In this context, even helping others is done to bring joy to the heart of the helper (after all, Mother Theresa herself said she had no interest in eliminating poverty, only helping the poor); I don't believe this is cynical, in fact I think it's a necessary antidote to the concept of the ego; truly, one cannot be selfless unless one desires to be so, and that desire is in itself selfish.

      As for kids, I think they learn from the inside out, and start life thinking (naturally) only about thesemlves, if they feel for their mommy or their daddy or their kitty, it is in the context of how that person/animal fits in the frame of their existence (My kitty died, I miss my kitty, I'm sad.) And for the most part we remain that way at our core. One need only look at any funeral to see that the emotions generally on display are not sorrow for the deceased but sorrow for OUR own loss. I don't actually think humans are capable of true self-less-ness so long as they are conscious of their own existence; some decisions however appear to be more or less selfish -- I may return the wallet I find although I need the money, but maybe my inner motivation to avoid guilt is stronger than my need for a quick money fix, appearance isn't everything...  :)

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      Please don't bite the heads off the chocolate Elvises.

      by PBJ Diddy on Sun Mar 27, 2005 at 03:07:46 PM PDT

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