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  •  I think your reaction is uncalled for (none / 0)

    and bigotted. We speak on this site about what the religious right wants, the freepers think, the democrats should do. We generalize continuously. I think that is allright as long as we realize what we are doing, and we should never forget we should not apply these generalities to the indivual.  

    In Europe we feel a sense of hopelesness, and the hopelesness translates in the kind of reactions Jerome was mentioning.

    The good thing about the provocativeness of Jerome's diaries is that it attracted a lot of traffic, which I think is great because we need to get a dialogue going.  

    by amsterdam on Mon Mar 07, 2005 at 04:25:03 AM PDT

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    •  I think the diaries were (none / 0)

      uncalled for and bigotted. You have no idea who you are speaking to. If you did you would be embarrassed by your post. Show me some data that would allow Jerome to speak for an entire continent. Provocative? How about presumptuous. I laugh at your accusation of bigotry. I'm sure I've been called worse things by better people. I'm all in favor of starting a dialogue--with our opponents.

      Right-wingers who clamor for war and oppose universal health care are not "pro-life" and don't get to say they're "pro-life." It's a lie. Night Train

      by peterborocanuck on Mon Mar 07, 2005 at 01:10:41 PM PDT

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      •  I would call (none / 0)

        "blowing smoke kisses from your cultured ass" bigoted.

        And judging by the tenor of your reply I presume I am talking to a presumptuous ass.

        by amsterdam on Mon Mar 07, 2005 at 01:20:21 PM PDT

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        •  you presume my presumptuousness. (none / 0)

          Curious. Presume anything you like. You won't shut me up by hauling out the "B" word. Either HELP or get the hell out of the way.

          Right-wingers who clamor for war and oppose universal health care are not "pro-life" and don't get to say they're "pro-life." It's a lie. Night Train

          by peterborocanuck on Mon Mar 07, 2005 at 01:55:33 PM PDT

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          •  What is your problem (none / 0)

            Why all this agression. People are ranting on this site all the time. These diaries are a commentary on the general mood of Europeans towards the US at this time.

            You can get all pissy about it, but the shooting incident involving the Italian journalist are our headlines and people here are just fed up with display of arrogance of the US.

             I guess you wanted a more sanitized version of how the rest of the world views America. If that is the case just stick to your tv and you will here exactly what you want to here. Or you can get real about the situation and start a dialogue with the foreigners on this site. This is not just your problem. Bush is our problem too. And as far as Europeans are concerned the Americans put him there for a second term.

             This administration has been abusive and demeaning towards Europeans, and some of the reactions in this diary towards Europeans were lot more insulting and showed less nuance then Jerome's diaries if you will bother to read them carefully. I did not find any personal attacks there.

            I don't want to continue to exchange insults with you. I am looking for the dialogue and I am hoping to work with Americans who like me see the
            Bush administration as a menace to world peace.

            If I have offended you I apologize. I experience the same kneejerk reaction when I feel Europeans
            are attacked as you obviously do when Americans are the criticized.

            by amsterdam on Mon Mar 07, 2005 at 02:43:29 PM PDT

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            •  I haven't insulted you. (none / 0)

              Therefore we are not trading insults. The shooting of the journalist and her erstwhile rescuer wasn't "a display of US arrogance"-- it was a display of incompetence by the poor bastards who shot them. Whoopsy-doodle, they weren't Iraqi?!! Do you actually buy the whole line that the US government wanted her dead because-because why? Because her rescuer successfully negotiated her release? It's the latest in a long string of violent FUBARS at these checkpoints. Good God Alighty, YES. Crimes are being committed wholesale. Hands up Kossaks: How many of you voted for Bush in 2000? How many in 2004? Any repeaters? Helpless?? You feel helpless in Europe? Try living in Kansas with your politics.

              Right-wingers who clamor for war and oppose universal health care are not "pro-life" and don't get to say they're "pro-life." It's a lie. Night Train

              by peterborocanuck on Mon Mar 07, 2005 at 03:31:14 PM PDT

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              •  Bush style diplomacy (none / 0)

                I offer you to find a way get beyond our differences, but apparently you are not interested.

                Let us agree to disagree and end this useless discussion.

                by amsterdam on Mon Mar 07, 2005 at 11:52:37 PM PDT

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                •  Bush diplomacy indeed (none / 0)

                  1 You called me a bigot. 2 You called me a presumptuous ass. 3 You informed me I had a problem with agression, because I didn't like a diary that repeated "stupid f*cking Americans" like a mantra. 3 You scolded me for getting "all pissy". 4 You characterised my response as "kneejerk". After all that your perception of what has transpired between us is that you have been trying to offer a way to "get beyond our differences"? Yeah you could teach Bush a thing or two about diplomacy. Agree to disagree? I dunno, you never once addressed my points. But yeah, sure whatever.

                  Right-wingers who clamor for war and oppose universal health care are not "pro-life" and don't get to say they're "pro-life." It's a lie. Night Train

                  by peterborocanuck on Tue Mar 08, 2005 at 04:55:01 AM PDT

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