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  •  It's intimidation... (none / 1)

    They're releasing him now.  But.

    They rensacked his home, roughed him up -- and roughed up his three sons, terrified his wife who had to use her leukemia to keep them from taking her too.  

    And they've upset all the Sunnis who belong to this party.

    Great job, guys.   But, it was meant to terrorize.... and I'm sure it'll have a chilling effect.

    Susan (my cat)

    by SusanHu on Mon May 30, 2005 at 07:20:22 AM PDT

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    •  Gee, (4.00 / 2)

      I wonder if, after they "unarrested" everybody, the "security" forces gave back the money, jewellery, ID cards and passports that they confiscated when they ransacked the place. I'm thinking not.

      Hell, I wonder if they even apologized.

      Argh.

      There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. --Benjamin Disraeli, cited by Mark Twain

      by sheba on Mon May 30, 2005 at 07:39:52 AM PDT

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      •  And how about the sons? (none / 0)

        They have yet to be "unarrested," along with assorted "houseguests."

        And all this on Memorial Day yet. Half of Arlington must be rolling in their graves at the bumbling incompetence of today's U.S. military.

        by matt n nyc on Mon May 30, 2005 at 02:48:19 PM PDT

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        •  Ahhhh... (none / 0)

          You are implying then, that in other wars this didn't happen? There were gentlemanly knocks on the door, conversations over tea? No stealing of food or money for hungry forces to use, no "attack first", ask questions later if anyone survives?

          Be good to each other. It matters.

          by AllisonInSeattle on Tue May 31, 2005 at 02:28:29 AM PDT

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    •  WTF Did They Arrest Him (none / 1)

      in the first damn place?  WTF did they gain?

      Intimidation?  WHY?

      Just piss off everybody in the general area.

      I swear it's like Dumb And Dumber are running this thing.

      I'll stop sputtering long enough to "recommend".

      Just friggin crazy, you ask me.

      You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

      by mattman on Mon May 30, 2005 at 07:41:44 AM PDT

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    •  I think it's stupid arrogance, not intimidation (none / 0)

      I don't think this guy was targeted - I think he was swept up in an ingnorant raid designed more to placate tough guy leaders in the Pentagon than provide security to the Iraqi people. It was a fool's errand like every single other action we have  taken in Iraq.

      Many in the military are brilliant and effective. Those thriving under Bush and Rumsfeld are not.

      John McCain

      by joejoejoe on Mon May 30, 2005 at 08:03:33 AM PDT

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      •  The "brilliant and effective" ones (none / 0)

        are also "thriving" ... but in their retirement homes in Florida.

        by matt n nyc on Mon May 30, 2005 at 02:50:43 PM PDT

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      •  Or perhaps we are being used (none / 0)

        don't think this guy was targeted - I think he was swept up in an ingnorant raid designed more to placate tough guy leaders in the Pentagon than provide security to the Iraqi people.

        On the other hand there might some shadowy figure our forces have gotten good tips from in the past who in fact now has a different agenda, is not interested the Americans anymore, and thinks that helping to push the country toward civil war is his best path to a long period in power.

        by Fred in Vermont on Mon May 30, 2005 at 03:52:28 PM PDT

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        •  Inclined To Agree (none / 0)

           there might some shadowy figure our forces have gotten good tips from in the past who in fact now has a different agenda, is not interested the Americans anymore, and thinks that helping to push the country toward civil war is his best path to a long period in power.

               IMHO the Americans in Iraq are getting played by just about every Iraqi who has a score to settle with some other Iraqi, whether the score is political, religious, ethnic, or just personal.  All you have to do is tell the dumbass gringos that Abdul who lives down the block is connected to El Qaeda or the insurgents and bang, poor Abdul disappears into Abu Ghraib.
               I think that's what happened this time. The fact that our people are saying nothing about why he was pinched in the first place points in that direction.  We don't want to admit that we bought a bum steer from an Iraqi with an agenda.

          Whatever is real is different.-- B. Traven

          by angry blue planet on Mon May 30, 2005 at 07:36:50 PM PDT

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          •  We just can't afford these sorts of things (none / 0)

            We don't want to admit that we bought a bum steer from an Iraqi with an agenda.

            And that we are so ignorant of what is going on politically that we will buy into such a thing even targeting a very well known key political figure.  If it could happen to such a one then nobody in Iraq is safe from being falsely fingered to the Americans.  This is the rare sort of Sunni figure that we are going to need to stick up his head and endorse a constitution and status of forces agreement (where it that BTW?).

            by Fred in Vermont on Tue May 31, 2005 at 04:07:15 AM PDT

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            •  Status of Farces (none / 0)

              This is the rare sort of Sunni figure that we are going to need to stick up his head and endorse a constitution and status of forces agreement (where it that BTW?).

              The SOFA is that thing lurking under the big flat rock.  Everyone knows it's there but no one wants to flip that rock over.
              Assuming that a constitution is written and elections under that constitution duly take place--I believe the timetable calls for the vote in December.  OK, then the Iraqis presumably will have a government with the authority to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement with the US.  Big Problemo: after all the shit that's gone down, nobody in their right mind can imagine any new Iraqi government negotiating anything of the kind. The Iraqis will want the US OUT, period, end of discussion. No bases. No nothing. Just leave, please.
              So what happens to all those "permanent" bases we're busy building over there?  Is the US going to just leave?  Or will the US risk a war with all the Iraqis by attempting stay on, SOFA or no SOFA?
              Stay fucking tuned...

              Whatever is real is different.-- B. Traven

              by angry blue planet on Tue May 31, 2005 at 05:19:52 PM PDT

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