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  •  Bosh. (3.00 / 3)

    Did anyone have to coddle Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi, to get them to show some courage and do what was right?

    What a load of new age-y piffle, and a sterling example of everything that's wrong with the Democrats.

    I'm tired of people acting like WE have to do anything other than put those sons of bitches in the House or Senate and let them run from there and show what they are made of.

    The man has the courage of his convictions or he doesn't. Are you his frickin' MOMMY? "Now Dickie we're just so proud of you, here's a cookie, you keep on being a good boy...here's another cookie...yes, we want to stroke your self esteem...OK, here's another cookie. Oh wait, you didn't get enough cookies and now you're going to piddle in your pants and ask that bullying Bush boy you're sorry?"

    Just call me a Tough Daddy because I'd tell him that standing up for what you believe doesn't always get you cookies or mommy patting your head or your back.

    A man, or a woman, has gotta do what a man, or woman, has gotta do. And if the best they can do is go crawling to the enemy whimpering "Don't hurt me", what they NEED is to have their asses impeached and someone put in their place who isn't a thumb-sucking loser.

    Sigh. Here come the 0s, I don't care. Defending these bastards is sinking us deeper and deeper into the muck. It's better to live on your feet than die on your knees, but it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

    WAKE UP!

    -- "I decline utterly to be impartial between the fire brigade and the fire." ~Winston Churchill

    by Eleftheria on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 12:55:22 AM PDT

    •  i think there's another option (none / 0)

      we can live on feet with our head held high...oh and the rest of that sentimental song says " we can walk through the storm because I know I am not alone."

      Voting is not enough these days. anyone who's involved enough to post here cares enough to do more.

      but this is a team effort.  our electeds are the team captain, but you don't score points with just one player.

      what can I say , you reduced me to sports analogies.

      Debra

      by debcoop on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 01:05:00 AM PDT

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    •  Yes. (none / 1)

      If by coddle you mean "show them that there is some public support for their views", yes. Read some of Lincoln early speeches on the topics of desegregation and miscegenation, to see whether he is influenced by public opinion. Heck, they're SUPPOSED to be influenced by public opinion. Citizens have a job too, and it's more than voting, especially given how few elections are competitive.

      As for not having the courage of your convictions, and failing to live by your words, well, Jefferson rather puts Durbin to shame on that front.

      I would agree that Durbin has not shown himself the equal of Lincoln, Gandhi, King, Jefferson, Washington. But you know, we're lucky to get one of those in a generation, and they have a disconcerting tendency to get assassinated. There's a quote about the 1968 from Pete Hamill which says, essentially: citizens can't just wait around for a hero on a white horse, because when they do he gets shot off it.

      What Durbin is, is one of the best Democrats in the U.S. Senate.

      by katya on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 01:07:04 AM PDT

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      •  HAHAHAHAHA (none / 0)

        Saying someone is one of the best Democrats in the Senate is like saying they're one of the least stinky turds in my cat box.

        Dream on, folks. You're headed for oblivion.

        -- "I decline utterly to be impartial between the fire brigade and the fire." ~Winston Churchill

        by Eleftheria on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 01:46:12 AM PDT

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    •  I'm with you. (4.00 / 2)

      Sometimes you have to make a stand for what it right WITHOUT relying on an organized campaign to get your back. You say what you feel is right, and if anyone demands an apology you say, "Hell no! Apologize for telling the truth? Never!"

      Durbin pussied out. He didn't have the steel for the fight he was calling on himself, and while I'll admit we could have gone to the matresses for him, the gods honest truth is we shouldn't have to. Our side should have the balls to stand tall amid the firestorm and say "I refuse to concede that torture is right."

      What Durbin did yesterday, in backing down and weeping about it, was a dozen times worse than if he'd never said anything. Now he's given all those right wing attack hounds the justification to say torture doesn't happen.

      Shameful. Absolutely shameful.

      Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

      by HollywoodOz on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 01:33:12 AM PDT

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