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  •  Trying (3.90 / 22)

     to think of other situations where a group that generally falls under the progressive umbrellla would be told to basically "fuck off." And to have their concerns cast aside as not important. It's not really up to men to decide what is or should be important to women.

    And if there are still any idiots who think the objections to this  ad have anything to do with sex, I suggest you go back to the original diary and read it more carefully.

    The thing we have learned here tonight is the fact that women not only will not be supported, but will also be mocked and otherwise abused when they dare to raise issues important to them.

    Like someone above commented, I could basically give a shit about that ad. But the ad becomes a springboard from which to explore the real issues having to do with gender and power in the world.

    it is interesting to see the comments of many of the people here, and to see how they would fit quite comfortably into any conservative republican bachelor party of the sort GWB and his cronies probably attend.  And yet these same people consider the objections to corporate marketing and control of the female image as a conservatively-based thing. Quite ironic really. A fine example of men banding together to face the common enemy: women. The brotherhood of man, guess it really does ultimately transcend political affiliations.

    by wakingup on Sun Jun 05, 2005 at 11:37:01 PM PDT

    •  Bullshit (4.00 / 2)

      "The thing we have learned here tonight is the fact that women not only will not be supported, but will also be mocked and otherwise abused when they dare to raise issues important to them."

      Total unmitigated bullshit. I take personal offense to that slanderous lie.

      And a lie it is.

      How dare you? kos is rightly taken to task for a serious mistake - he apologizes for it in the update and you choose to sweepingly call the site anti-women.

      You have some nerve.

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Sun Jun 05, 2005 at 11:59:07 PM PDT

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      •  Be my guest (4.00 / 9)

        take all the "personal' offense you want. Then go back and read (esp. the early part) of this diary and show me just how my feeling unwelcome here is erroneous. The site is populated by quite a few proud "anti-feminists" as far as I can tell from these posts.

        Yeah, he apologized, that's nice. It was before my post, however. I might have toned down my initial reaction to it, or I might not have, since at this point  the diary has transcended Kos's individual remarks and incorporates many voices eagerly agreeing with his original post. Now that so much ample (oooh sexy) evidence has been posted to uphold the assertion that this place is hostile to women, I've not changed my opinion. You certainly haven't changed it.

        And BTW you are the one who has some nerve. Are you female? I didn't think so. What you know about a woman's experience on this board or in the world amounts to nil.

        by wakingup on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 12:27:13 AM PDT

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        •  Well (none / 0)

          Ignore my actual words if you like.

          Cuz you did.

          Let me know when you respond to it.

          Everybody dies alone.

          by Armando on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 12:32:49 AM PDT

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          •  Likewise (none / 1)

            Ignore my actual words if you like.
            Cuz you did.
            Let me know when you respond to it.

            by wakingup on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 12:44:58 AM PDT

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            •  Hmm (none / 0)

              Your first words? I did not. My first response was a reaction to them.

              You made a sweeping false generalization about the site.

              It was bullshit.

              The comment from kos and some idiots on this thread gives you the evidence you need? Un- fucking believable.

              Finally, I will respond to your second response now. You state that I personally give you no evidence to counter your impression.

              Is that because I criticized YOU, and you are a woman? that's a dangerous game you know.

               

              Everybody dies alone.

              by Armando on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 12:51:08 AM PDT

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              •  Just (4.00 / 5)

                read your own post. You say "bullshit" you say "slanderous" lies. Where are the links to all the diaries full of support for the  "women's issues." Esp. the ones with lots of men participating. That's evidence, not you shouting liar, liar at me.  Hence, you gave no evidence. I gave you what you asked for,  a small sample, but enough to serve as example of the attitude I've seen in the few weeks I've been here on the diaries when the subject is a "woman's" issue. And a reflection of the attitude I've seen in society in the whole of my life here when the subject is "women's issues."

                When I say you don't know what it is like to be a woman, the point is it can't be expected for men to know how it is for women, any more than women can know what men's experience is like.  

                And this is precisely why listening, instead of ridiculing, women's accounts of their own experience is appreciated. And nobody is even saying you must agree, but we deserve more than the snide, even celebratory tone of the posts here, dismissively cackling at something that can be an important issue for many women.

                It sure let's us know that we don't count.

                And anyway who decides if the place is friendly to women. You?

                Why are you feeling so personally attacked anyway? If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

                Good night, I am going to bed now. Guess that means you get the last word.

                by wakingup on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 02:02:52 AM PDT

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