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  •  Be my guest (4.00 / 9)

    take all the "personal' offense you want. Then go back and read (esp. the early part) of this diary and show me just how my feeling unwelcome here is erroneous. The site is populated by quite a few proud "anti-feminists" as far as I can tell from these posts.

    Yeah, he apologized, that's nice. It was before my post, however. I might have toned down my initial reaction to it, or I might not have, since at this point  the diary has transcended Kos's individual remarks and incorporates many voices eagerly agreeing with his original post. Now that so much ample (oooh sexy) evidence has been posted to uphold the assertion that this place is hostile to women, I've not changed my opinion. You certainly haven't changed it.

    And BTW you are the one who has some nerve. Are you female? I didn't think so. What you know about a woman's experience on this board or in the world amounts to nil.

    •  Well (none / 0)

      Ignore my actual words if you like.

      Cuz you did.

      Let me know when you respond to it.

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 12:32:49 AM PDT

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      •  Likewise (none / 1)

        Ignore my actual words if you like.
        Cuz you did.
        Let me know when you respond to it.
        •  Hmm (none / 0)

          Your first words? I did not. My first response was a reaction to them.

          You made a sweeping false generalization about the site.

          It was bullshit.

          The comment from kos and some idiots on this thread gives you the evidence you need? Un- fucking believable.

          Finally, I will respond to your second response now. You state that I personally give you no evidence to counter your impression.

          Is that because I criticized YOU, and you are a woman? that's a dangerous game you know.

           

          Everybody dies alone.

          by Armando on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 12:51:08 AM PDT

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          •  Just (4.00 / 5)

            read your own post. You say "bullshit" you say "slanderous" lies. Where are the links to all the diaries full of support for the  "women's issues." Esp. the ones with lots of men participating. That's evidence, not you shouting liar, liar at me.  Hence, you gave no evidence. I gave you what you asked for,  a small sample, but enough to serve as example of the attitude I've seen in the few weeks I've been here on the diaries when the subject is a "woman's" issue. And a reflection of the attitude I've seen in society in the whole of my life here when the subject is "women's issues."

            When I say you don't know what it is like to be a woman, the point is it can't be expected for men to know how it is for women, any more than women can know what men's experience is like.  

            And this is precisely why listening, instead of ridiculing, women's accounts of their own experience is appreciated. And nobody is even saying you must agree, but we deserve more than the snide, even celebratory tone of the posts here, dismissively cackling at something that can be an important issue for many women.

            It sure let's us know that we don't count.

            And anyway who decides if the place is friendly to women. You?

            Why are you feeling so personally attacked anyway? If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

            Good night, I am going to bed now. Guess that means you get the last word.

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