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  •  there are liberal elites (none / 0)

    so i am sympathetic when the right wing trots out this line because i've worked in the NYC-DC-LA media/political arenas, where everyone has their fancy ivy league degrees and thinks anyone who's an evangelical who likes the Passion or reads The Purpose Driven Life or is pro-life must be some stupid brainwashed hick. Folks "out there" have picked up on our snobbery and the GOP does rather well to exploit it (as Thomas Frank has said). the NYT is cultural elitist AND economic elitist (i.e. pro corporate whores).

    where i always argue with right wing friends who want to call Dems cultural elitists is to admit, yeah, that may be true, but fuck, the GOP are a bunch of CORPORATE economic elitists who have the power to fuck the environment, workers, your phone bill, your health care, your pensions, your media, your electricity (if in CA) and they're the ones who impact your life. not Barbra Streisand or the rest of the hollywood yahoos. this is the point Stewart was trying to make when interviewing that lame-o Bernard Goldberg. it's the point Dems need to be making.

    •  Hmmm (none / 0)

      My degrees are all public schools. I have worked for two private schools--Kyoto University and NYU.  But I still love public education. I rejected a job at Stanford (Ivy League) because it sucked. I am from a combination of Iowa pioneers from Germany and Jewish intellectuals from Latvia. I am liberal. I am progressive.

      Don't get me wrong. There are assholes in any group. There are liberals who think if you don't agree with them 99.9999999% you are wrong. I do not like those folks. But look at the reality. Most liberals are a mish-mash of races, economic levels, philosophies who loosely believe in civil liberties, the rights of all Americans, a vague idea of peace, justice and the American way and who want us all to get along. That is the liberal group I have encountered 99% of the time. I don't agree with the purists. I agree with those who belive we all have a right to our opinions and should fight for those rights.

      The Republican of today are saying in no uncertain terms that if you don't agree with their anti-Constitution, pro-rich, pro-white philosophy you are a triator to mom and apple pie and should be locked away in a prison camp. That is the DOMINANT force in t he Repub party. And you are comparing liberals with these guys??????

      No. I know full well that there are very vocal, very irritating liberals out there. But there are two fallicies in your arguement. First off, most liberal Dems (at least that I know) do not fit that description of liberals. Second, the corrupt, nasty, intolerant Repub scum that we are opposing are so horrible, that to compare even the worst liberals with the average neo-Con is comlpetely unfair to the liberal. They are destroying our nation on all levels--national security, economics and civil rights.

      The abortion and gun control issues are difficult. On abortion Americans will never fully agree. On gun control if we go to James Madison's original intent and actions, we can find common  ground. But to find two issue that are difficult and ignore the entirety of our civil rights, economy and national security is just plain dumb.

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