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  •  Outstanding!!! n/t (4.00 / 10)

    Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. (Paraphrasing B. Franklin)

    by p a roberson on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 08:32:02 AM PDT

    •  Impeach the liar Bush (4.00 / 14)

      This powerful diary captures the crimes of Bushco, they have lied and squandered the lives of patriotic Americans and continue to do so long after their lies are exposed.

      Bush and his cowardly supporters are never on the front lines, they "Support the Troops" with their wimpy little magnets on the back of their terrorist supporting SUV gas guzzlers.

      Ride a bike or Drive a Prius to cut terrorist funding.

      or

      $1.00 per gallon of gas goes to the terrorists, how much money did you deliver to them today?

      Impeaching Bush and his henchman Cheney is the way out of this mess.

      •  Don't you mean... (none / 1)

        Impeach Cheney and his henchman (Ventriloquist's Dummy?) Bush?

        "America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense, it is the other way around. Human rights invented America." -Jimmy Carter

        by Bulldawg on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:08:04 AM PDT

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        •  Bush's head (none / 0)

          is not the only thing up bush's ass.
          •  This has got to be the worst fought... (4.00 / 2)

            war ever or at least in recent history. Let's see what is our strategy:

            Handicap our troops on the battlefield and demand that they show excessive restraint to the point that they are needlessly killed.

            If we do happen to capture a prisoner we then take him to the prison and torture him even though he is no threat and not on the battlefield.

            Violate international law regarding detention and prosecuting individuals.

            Neglect to provide the troops with enough equipement and other support.

            Neglect to seal the boarder with Syria.

            Neglect public services and infrastructure maintenance.

            Get mad when insurgents kill our troops and then ramp up the torture of detained prisoners.

            Neglect to go after the insurgents that are killing our troops and kill them or capture them to take them off of the battlefield.

            Push too hard on the Constitution and tick off the Shiites and the Sunnis.

            Make speaches about taking the fight to the enemy and then don't take the fight to the enemy and wuss out on the battlefield and torture more detained prisoners.

            This is so stupid it is hard to believe.

            The strategy should be to hunt down and kill every insurgent on the battlefield as is possible - they either surrender or die and if they surrender they should be treated with absolute dignity and respect in detention. Furthermore, the Syrian boarder should be sealed immediately.

            This is the only strategy that is going to help us be more successful and win hearts and minds as well as respect, however absolute success is not possible at this point.

            Honor bound to defend freedom. Freedom is long-standing army regulations.

            by RichardG on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:52:41 PM PDT

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            •  Why do they need armor? (4.00 / 4)

              In a climate of "Shock & Awe" and lightning war and invasion, there was no need for additional armor for our armed forces as there would be only flowers, chocolate and kisses thrown their way upon arrival--there was no plan for opposition and clearly no plan for what is going on to fix the mess we have right now. I feel the best plan is to get out--it looks as though the Iraqi's are already in full civil war and our people getting killed is only marginally slowing the civil war that is days from being full-blown. Bush's Iraq Legacy? Death, debt, no oil, no democracy, no constitution, no respect. Over and out.

              Above the clouds, what's to be found, I have to wonder - will I be around--Paul Weller

              by Above the Clouds on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 01:15:35 PM PDT

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              •  Good post... (none / 1)

                there probably is no way to completely fix this mess, but the strategy was and is mind boggling.

                Right now the only way to truly win is to send enough troops, but we don't have the troops to send.

                Furthermore, the military is like a well-tuned race car it can go 100 mph and do so smoothly and steadily, but you can also push too hard and blow out the moter.

                We are at the point where we can conceivably blow out the moter of this race car. If they screw up the military we are really in bad shape.

                Honor bound to defend freedom. Freedom is long-standing army regulations.

                by RichardG on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 01:35:17 PM PDT

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              •  Cheering and chocolates (4.00 / 3)

                I heard some republican right-wing talking head explain how they did greet us with cheering and chocolates.

                Para-phrasing.........."Don't you remember the cheering when we toppled the statue of Saddam."
                That was it folks.  Left me speech less to hear that stupid nonsense.

                Time for bushandco to get out of the green zone and into the real Iraq.

                IMPEACH THE SOB'S.  THEN TRY THEM FOR WAR CRIMES.

            •  Richard says: (4.00 / 3)

              The strategy should be to hunt down and kill every insurgent on the battlefield as is possible - they either surrender or die and if they surrender they should be treated with absolute dignity and respect in detention.

              Good point. Has anyone noticed that there is never any mention in the media of Americans who have been taken prisoner by the insurgency? Never -- not ever. Almost 2,000 KIA and almost 7,000 seriously wounded, but there is only one soldier - Pfc. Keith M. Maupin, 20, of Batavia, Ohio - who is listed as captured. Doesn't that seem odd? Americans have been taken as prisoners of war in most past wars, so why not in this one? For example, during the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese held about 700 of our prisoners in the "Hanoi Hilton" prison camp. These prioners were regularly the subject of talks during the Paris peace negotiations, and their release was a condition of the Paris Accords that ended the war.

              One thing the Abu Ghraib scandal proved to the insurgency is that if Iraqis get captured, they will not be treated per the Geneva convention as prisoners of war. They will be tortured, and they will be executed. Furthermore, the American government has never once intimated that they would be willing to consider prisoner exchanges. This is a rediculous position to hold, since we're dealing in Iraq with Arabs who have a rich tradition and deep understanding of prisoner exchanges. George Bush refuses to negotiate with them under any circumstances, even if they may have American prisoners. Thus, the insurgents have no incentive to show mercy to Americans prisoners, and instead they are executing captured American soldiers in the field and on the spot. This could be avoided if George Bush would get his head out of his ass and indicate that that the Americans might be willing to negotiate prisoner exchanges. But that would involve negotiating with the enemy, and Bush isn't about to authorize that.

              •  I don't see this as unlikely (none / 1)

                It does seem plausible to me that there is only one prisoner (I think there is another soldier listed as MIA) in this war. We don't have small units which might be enveloped by larger enemy forces, and the Iraqis don't have the capacity to shoot down our jets (a lot of the POWs in Vietnam were pilots weren't they?)

                Our soldiers move in armored convoys with overwhelming firepower. Most of the casualties are in ones and twos or from IEDs. So, there is almost always someone to recover wounded and dead.

                None of this is to imply we shouldn't respect basic rights, but I don't think doing so will bring back more of our guys alive. It's just the right thing to do.

      •  Plenty of blame to go around (4.00 / 7)

        Of course Bush and Cheney should be impeached. But they should have already lost their jobs the last election. In a democracy, when the President is an obviously dishonest incompetent whose foreign policy is being made by a small gang of imperialist kooks, the voters have an obligation to the troops to replace him. The blood of our troops that have died since Nov 2004 is partially on the hands of everyone who voted for Bush. It is also, through well intended yet poor judgement, partially on the hands of Democrats who chose to offer as the alternative to Bush someone whose position on Iraq was "deliberately vague."

        Well, that's probably a bit harsh. But please let's not make the same mistake again in 2008 by nominating a pro-debacle candidate (like Clinton, Biden, Kerry or Edwards) again. If they can't admit their support for the invasion was a mistake, no one will or should take them seriously.

        •  It's not harsh at all (4.00 / 5)

          I voted for Kerry and defended the choice.  But I remember feeling demoralized at the time when he said he would have done nothing different about the war.

          The example of Cindy Sheehan has caused me to reconsider my rationalizations for John Kerry and strive not to make that mistake again.

      •  Cursor.org (4.00 / 2)

        Those of you who know how to do this, please link to Cursor.org for two very important articles.  1)  What Does the Administration's Leaked Mea Culpa on Iraq Portend? -- we're building 14 permanent bases and have no intention of leaving, ever, and 2)  The David Lindoff piece -- states are passing legislation to test returning Guardsmen for uranium exposure.  Why?  It's already a problem.

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