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  •  Bullshit (2.50 / 8)

    Don't act like you care about women's issues.  

    by stefanie76 on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 05:24:25 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry (none / 0)

      I mean to say, "where's them damn burkas when you need them?"

      I don't care about the institutional movement that has failed to stem the erosion of privacy/health rights for women. NARAL and Co have failed. Liza seems to understands that. Lots of people do not. You, apparently, being one of them.

      Yet the status quo ain't doing anyone but the Right Wing any favors.

      I care about the end result, not about whose feelings get hurt because I criticized the wrong person.

      by kos on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 05:50:34 PM PDT

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      •  What can I say? (2.80 / 5)

        You're hysterical.  Always love me a good burka joke.  

        I wouldn't exactly call this the status quo since we are now moving away from choice.  

        Your ends justify the means strategy is going to lose.  You know a lot about losing though, right Kos?  What are you, 0-16 now?

        by stefanie76 on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 05:57:43 PM PDT

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        •  So I take it (none / 1)

          You'd rather loose 100% of the time instead of winning 90% of the time?

          Because unless we lefties start swallowing out pride and working together to form a united front, we can count on the republicans coasting from victory to victory on momentum alone.

          by The oopla on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 06:18:52 PM PDT

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        •  stephanie76 (4.00 / 3)

          I remember when more than 60% or 70% of Americans supported the right to choice.  I have seen the rise of NARAL and the decline of support.  I am a chick and I could give a shit about those women's feelings - they have taken on a job and have been failing year to year to "put abortion on the table".  

          Personally, I think they should have been trying to take it off the table - taken the discussion to "it is legal so get over it", but they want it on the table and they have managed the messaging poorly enough to lose support.  

          by inclusiveheart on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 06:54:03 PM PDT

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        •  Ah yeah (4.00 / 3)

          The won-loss record. Good one.

          First of all, it's 2-16. And it'll probably be 4-30 by the time the next election is over. That's what happens when you work to spread the playing field by fielding more candidates and challenging incumbent Republicans and open red districts.

          And it's what happens when you think long-term and work to build up parties in districts and states that have no Democratic parties. You see, it's call working on the big picture.

          But you can applaud NARAL for endorsing Chafee, and you can applaud Chafee for voting to confirm Janice Brown and other anti-choice judges when our anti-abortion Democrats voted against those judges. And after you're done applauding Chafee for being "pro-choice", and ragging on "anti-abortion" Democrats, you can consider why we're losing so badly on the issue.

          Aside from the assault on choice by the governing Republicans, abortion is the one issue in which teens are more conservative than adults. Kinds that are strongly for gay marriages and other progressive causes are trending away from Choice. Not a good long-term development.

          by kos on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 08:44:52 PM PDT

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        •  This is not about just choice! (none / 0)

          This is about the very foundation of our democracy, THE US FRIGGIN' CONSTITUTION, being gutted by the dominionists while NARAL pisses away millions on an ad that was thoroughly divisive.

          They should have fucking used that money to build the infrastructure for a PRO-CHOICE NEW MEDIA NETWORK; so the "Catholic News" and the "LifeNews" of the internet don't go around spewing their hateful lies about abortion.

          You don't get it.

          Blogging the revolution @culturekitchen.com & The Daily Gotham

          by liza on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 09:29:05 PM PDT

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        •  no burka jokes here (none / 1)

          where women's words are valued and respected, Our Word

          by artemisia on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 01:41:21 PM PDT

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      •  Can I hate you for being funny? (none / 0)

        Blogging the revolution @culturekitchen.com & The Daily Gotham

        by liza on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 09:45:14 PM PDT

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    •  Give it up please (none / 0)

      If you are going to call bullshit, do it with substance.

      Blogging the revolution @culturekitchen.com & The Daily Gotham

      by liza on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 09:24:06 PM PDT

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