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  •  I Think Sirota Completely Misses the Point (4.00)
    This document isn't really a strategy memo, it's a rah-rah thing that they pass around for fundraising purposes.  This isn't really to House Dems to talk with them about strategy, it's for potential donors to hear the "pitch" for why investing in the House Democrats is a good investment.

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:05:46 PM PDT

    •  Actually, It's a Dumb or Dishonest Argument (4.00)
      That document doesn't mention ANY policies.  You could just as easily argue that it ignored Hackett's position as a strong supporter of gun rights as defined by the NRA.  The fact is, other than the sorta nebulous "ethics" issue, that supposed "strategy memo" doesn't mention a single issue.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:11:30 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly (none)
      The memos didn't say anything except people were sick of republicans and that there is hope for all democrats.
      •  It's a Press Release (none)
        It's a "we're better than the Republicans" press release, and nothing more.

        I'm kinda stunned at Sirota's characterization.  I mean, he's not a dumb guy, and presumably he's seen campaign post mortems before.  This isn't a post-mortem, and judging it as one is at best really silly.

        The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

        by Dana Houle on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:30:30 PM PDT

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        •  When is a press release just a press release (none)
          I kinda agree with you on that.

          On a side note, I also think there's a way to grab the DCCC and the DLC by the collar and make them listen without insulting them, or adding to the rift.  Having said that of course, when someone in the DLC makes a statement about oh, say "fringe" parts of our side without knowing his shit, it's perfectly acceptable to smack him on the face once or twice.
          But Sam feels very strongly that we need to all work together.  We don't have to like each other, but we are all fighting the same enemy.

          --Liberate your radio--

          by Sam Loomis on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:38:24 PM PDT

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          •  On the other hand, Sam.. (none)
            you don't know what the fuck you are talking about!

            When the DLC appologists like Bayh help promote untrue but potent Liberal stereotypes, then by all means, FUCK THEM.
            Yeah, Sam, we all work as a "team", but if you have guys on our side who are doing passive-aggressive fragging like this, then they need to be put in their fucking cage.
            Don't be a big puss, Sam.  I know you are tougher than that.

            --Liberate your radio--

            by Sam Loomis on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:41:03 PM PDT

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            •  Well, Sam. I guess you are right. (none)
              Once again, I appreciate it, Sam, when you snap me back into reality.  Yeah, you always say that the GOP has us down on one knee and they aim to knock us on our backs and BURY US.  Now is not the time to seek platitudes with our own party.

              You are right Sam, we need everyone to put 100% passion and fight into this struggle.
              Like that dead Marine's father said last night on Hardball:  "Piss or get off the pot."
              I guess when the netroots are fighting with tanks and rocket launchers, and the DLC is fighting by trying to bribe the enemy and roll over for a courtesy fuck, then they need to be slapped in the face a little too.

              --Liberate your radio--

              by Sam Loomis on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:44:29 PM PDT

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          •  I Separate Those Organizations (none)
            I have little use for the DLC (although I think there are plenty of people around here so obsessed with what they believe is the massive influence wielded by the DLC that they sound like 1970's conspiracy theorists ranting about the Trilateral Commission).  The DCCC is a "official" institution of the Democratic party, contituted to the goal of electing Democrats to Congress, regardless of their ideology.  They're devoted to inter-party competition.  The DLC is oriented toward intra party competition, and often inflict quite a bit of "friendly fire" on other Democrats.  

            The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

            by Dana Houle on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:43:18 PM PDT

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            •  Sam was speaking broadly in terms of (none)
              being out of touch with the battle going on.

              Kinda like how the DLC would pander to the GOP and insult their party, and in the same spectrum, the DCCC would ignore "unwinnable" districts.
              It's all about lack of passion and balls to do what's neccessary according to Sam, in order to challenge the mighty GOP on their turf before they make us extinct.

              --Liberate your radio--

              by Sam Loomis on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:48:57 PM PDT

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              •  And also (none)
                I think that's what's missing in the washington establishment:   the understanding that to us regular folks, we need to start winning cause we don't have lobbyists, campaign contributors, and DC perks to help us get by.  They fail to understand in a human way that these policies are killing us in the heartland AND in the cities.

                On a side note, Dave Grohl, from The Foo Fighters, get it.  He states in the most recent Rolling Stone that he named his lates CD "In Your Honour" after all the passionate Kerry supporters he met while touring with Sen. Kerry last year.  He stated how when they would stop at diff towns, all these "people would come up to his bus, just waiting to be rescued."

                --Liberate your radio--

                by Sam Loomis on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:54:23 PM PDT

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    •  well okay, but it's hardly any more effective (none)
      as a "rah-rah fundraising thing".  

      In fact, it absolutely reinforces my decision to click on unsubscribe after receiving the DCCC post-election email.

      The argument made by Lapp that to show up and fight hard would have meant a guaranteed loss shows an utter lack of conviction.  

      I won't support blushing Dems.  Zero political courage = not one red cent.

      Comments referring only to ratings are a nuisance. Noise. They waste time and bandwidth. We're all dumber for having read them.

      by willowby on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 04:45:57 PM PDT

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