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  •  slightly OT (4.00 / 5)

    Sorta kinda.  We may be getting better at some things, but we're not better at coordinated attacks on Republican weaknesses from Dem leadership on down... Bush's goddmaned approval rating went from 38% to 42% this week.  Goddamnit.  And I have to tell you honestly - I think it's because Democratic leaders were too late and WAY too far behind the curve to garner any moral leadership on the subject of Katrina and New Orleans.

    </rant>

    Sorry to hijack the thread.

    Yes We Did.

    by RenaRF on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 03:20:28 PM PDT

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    •  Dont' fall for this.... (none / 1)

      these are different polls with different polling methodologies.  Gallup always has been high.

      There is no doubt that Bush's numbers will vary by poll, but I doubt that this fluctuation is even real.  Polls can be manipulated within a few points quite easily.  I read an article last week (can't remember where) which stated that Gallup pollsters rarely read the full questions.

      Bush's numbers may be irrelevant now.  He may be irrelevant now.  What matters are the Democrats.  We must turn all pressure on them to make sure they do and say the right things.

      Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

      by landrew on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 03:28:45 PM PDT

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      •  I hear you, but Gallup's figure was 46%. (none / 0)

        Again, up substantially.  

        And I totally agree with you on the Democrats issue -- WHERE IS THEIR UNIFIED, STRONG VOICE??  This is making me crazy.

        :: << head explodes >> ::

        Yes We Did.

        by RenaRF on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 03:35:32 PM PDT

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        •  And, as importantly, the MSM (none / 0)

          is reporting those numbers as a real positive for Bush; i.e. good things are happening and he's getting some credit for it. He hasn't done a damn thing but the uptick in polls will help his image. People are so stupid.  And, yes, where are the Dems to remind everyone about the screw-ups??

          by Phil S 33 on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 04:30:48 PM PDT

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          •  You took the words (none / 0)

            right out of my mouth.  It's not so much that there is a number or the validity of the number - but if the number itself is couched in a positive light, the damage is done.

            If you haven't already, check the Lakoff diary and the frameshop diary on the recommended list (they were there an hour ago).  I'm not encouraged by the democratic non-response.  It's like we squandered and opportunity handed to us on a silver platter.

            At the risk also of starting a TOTAL flame war, I have to say that I have not been impressed with Dean's inability to get his party leadership in line, which should have been an immediate requirement.

            Yes We Did.

            by RenaRF on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 04:48:18 PM PDT

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          •  Have to agree with RenaF (none / 0)

            Though perhaps not in the way she intended.  We're arguing about whether 46% is an uptick?  We should be dancing in the streets about that argument.  

            The problem is the dems in Washington aren't taking full advantage.  For goodness' sake, Clinton is still a hawk!

            A few more weeks of this and I'm gonna start thinking the Dems in office don't want a majority.

            by LithiumCola on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 04:50:24 PM PDT

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