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Just yesterday a guy in California wrote us and offered sound and video because he sees why this film needs to be done the right way. He didn't have money to give, but he understands the "Stone Soup" method we are hoping our community connects with.
Thanks to those who are continuing to send in their donation. You'll get your DVD first, and your name in the film's credits when we make the final cut.
This is our way of saying thanks to Dean for making politics fun and meaningful again by reminding the world how empowered people are when they feel that their voice counts to. You have the power!
Directing the people-powered film: "Dean and Me"
by deantv on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 01:21:01 PM PDT
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"I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean
by floridagal on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 03:05:07 PM PDT
More importantly, though, I have not been able to find if there is a rule about putting images in comments that are related but are asking for support.
I really don't know the answer. Is this a no brainer? I'd like to comply with the community wishes.
by deantv on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 03:31:24 PM PDT
Hawkish on impeachment.
by clyde on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 04:02:33 PM PDT
by floridagal on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 07:51:55 PM PDT
by clyde on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 03:21:02 AM PDT
by deantv on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 03:42:48 PM PDT
by clyde on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 04:08:29 PM PDT
I was just excited about hearing from Dean too on Roberts and thought this was a post where people might want to hear more from Dean and the people behind his movement. A lot of us can't get enough of him. In my excitement I may have become careless in following the official protocol of blogosphere manners. I'm still learning. My hats off to Joe Rospars for his tireless work on our behalf by the way. Please keep in mind that the documentary is not just about a campaign. It is about grassroots movements. The people. Believe me, I'm no commercial enterprise.
Roberts sucks.
by deantv on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 05:00:32 PM PDT
All indications I can see so far on your site are that you're using the standard commercial model. Nothing's wrong with that--it's worked great for Michael Moore, and if your films are as good as his, I'll be happy to see you make megabucks just like he does. But soliciting donations (as opposed to investments) for that type of project is a bit tacky, as is claiming to be noncommercial without being precise and specific about what you're doing instead.
by clyde on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 03:38:22 AM PDT
What's really tacky is claiming you went to the site where real people do believe in this project and are investing in a community project; donating their own video, audio, ideas and offering free ads, and links, and not finding the answers to the questions you are so paranoid about.
Go back to the site, read all the information, and come back with some more ideas because you started out great. Those are some good ideas, Clyde, and if you had the same community spirit like the hundreds of people I talked to on camera who were part of the Dean movement you might be a little more productive with your time and try to be a part of the solution instead of the problem.
When you've watched the free movies again at thegrassrootsmovie.com and realize you are seeing something that's never been attempted before you might actually relax and enjoy the show. Some people actually get up from their computer screens and participate in their democracy. Those people are more important than any little squabble you have with me about injecting my little people-powered movie project into a Dean post about Roberts.
I have learned my lesson though Clyde that there are cops in the blogosphere and I guess I've been on the road too long to know what the protocol is. I certainly know what a rating system is now and I thank you for your education on that. It's kind of like a little sport isn't it? I hope you'll donate $50 bucks after you have really looked at the site for your answers. Your investment will get your name in the credits of the final cut and you can share your free DVD with all your friends. Don't hesitate though because the more we can show a potential distributor how really united we are behind this, the more we can show the world why ALL Democrats are united in taking back our country from the Republicans. Thanks again for your ideas!
by deantv on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 07:02:24 AM PDT
I'm not saying you're definitely doing that, but am asking for clarification about exactly what you're doing, and your answers have been vague and possibly evasive. Also, I did read your site in search of answers and didn't find them (I can't look at the videos because they require closed source plug-ins that I refuse to run). So I'll repeat the questions in the hopes of getting clear, unambiguous, yes-or-no answers, not sob stories about your credit card bills:
Anyway, if you're truly doing a community project according to that last definition, and are willing to update your web site to say so, I'll be happy to make a small cash donation and to offer some video I've shot at a few Dean and other events (though you surely have tons of better video already, so I can't promise my stuff will be of much interest).
Right now though, I'd have to say at the very minimum, that it doesn't look like you've thought these issues through very clearly.
by clyde on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 03:43:08 PM PDT
On the contribute page at the site it says: "Grassroots filmmaking requires funds as well as heart. We ask you to contribute what you can to help us finish and distribute Grassroots: The Movie. For a gift of $30 you will receive a free advance copy of the DVD. For a gift of $50 or more your name will also appear in the film's end credits.
Your gift will make possible a final cut of the film that is distribution ready. Also, any profits from distribution will in turn make possible our next film on grassroots participation in American democratic self-government. This is a continuing story, we trust."
So yea, even though I'm told again and again that I can't expect to get more than $50,000 as a first time feature filmmaker, I do hope I can get that to make the next film on grassroots politics. Of course, I hope I am still married after all this too (that's a joke Clyde, stop rolling your eyes). So technically speaking I am not a big commercial entity but you are correct, I am commercial since I want to recoup my cost and produce, distribute and shop around a film that I think will be beneficial on a large scale for our community. So if it's all right with you I still consider it a community project since it is told by, and is about the community. It costs money to get those dvds and names in the credits so I consider that a return on an investment for the small donations.
1. Are the producers getting salaries?
No. In three years money has gone out and I have paid for my co-producers flights etc to keep her happy though she works as a professor of film at the New School in NYC and Purchase. In fact, our original budget is $175,000 that includes salaries for time actually making it estimated, but I cut that out and other things because I didn't think I could justify certain costs yet with the community. The $108,130 budget is what I thought was the bare minimum we needed to beg for to simply keep the film alive and get it into production. I had the budgets up initially at the site but took it down because it just was not necessary and took away from the concentration of the video I thought. I'm not against putting them back up.
2. If the movie brings more revenue than its production costs, where will the surplus go?
Again, as it says on the donation page:
"Also, any profits from distribution will in turn make possible our next film on grassroots participation in American democratic self-government."
3. Will viewers be able to download the film for free and also share copies online?
I'm so far away from that stage I do not know how to answer the question. Do you have resources you can share that would give me an idea how I could do that and still get a return to get out of debt?
One idea I have been kicking around is to offer shares for the level of commitment to the film. I'd really like to see this kept in the family because a big movie house would make demands on the direction of the film. That could disastrous for this type of content. Anyhow, if one sends in $100 for example they get .00000001 or something from a percentage pool of any profits (if there ever is a movie). If you know about these things please share. What do you think of the idea?
Clyde, since you have not seen the video. Let me briefly share what it is that is free on my site:
5. The last video just shows how nuts things get during these times following presidential candidates. Larouche supporters rioting at Dean speeches. Al Franken "wrestling" protestors into submission (he used the video on a talk show--for free. I just hope he'll speak with me again for the final cut of a film).
I hope you will see the video and consider what's at stake here.
So, if you have some ideas on all this please write. Perhaps I'll post part of our discussion to see if others want to chime in. I'm open to all ideas but think I've been up front about what's going on.
Again, I didn't mean to hijack anything either. Do you think it would be okay to post my ad in open threads? I really don't know the answer to these questions. I am really still learning about how these things works so thanks again for opening up the discussion..
And what does a 17 rating mean?
My shoulder is killing me I have to stop writing for now.
by deantv on Sat Sep 17, 2005 at 01:10:39 PM PDT
by clyde on Sat Sep 17, 2005 at 06:16:16 PM PDT
by deantv on Sat Sep 17, 2005 at 06:58:18 PM PDT
by deantv on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 04:08:23 PM PDT
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