certainly i'm not trying to say that you (or anyone) should keep your opinions to yourself.... as you've shown here - you are perfectly able to state your opinions while being open to the opinion of others.

so i wasn't objecting to your disagreement (and shocking people to get their attention isn't a problem either) - my objection is to the put-downs and the mocking.   that's not the way to get a discussion going - and it certainly isn't the way to get people to rethink their tactics.  indeed, i think it is actually  destructive.  anyway,  i'd much prefer introspection, discussion (of values AND effectiveness) and a serious study of social movements as you have done.

and it is particularly irksome to have my allies (who share my values, if not my prefered style) mocked while i'm being instructed to support someone who doesn't share my values.

anyway, thanks for the thoughtful responses.  you and kanga