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  •  Get a grip (0+ / 0-)

    I can tell you're really angry, but I didn't start this fucking war. I tried to stop it. And now I am working hard to prevent a much worse problem, namely the probable extinction of a large portion of the life remaining on this planet.

    But if it makes you feel better to call me a monster for pointing out that a billion is more than 500,000, then go for it.

    "we must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization" - Al Gore

    by racerx on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 11:39:02 AM PDT

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    •  And now I'm calling you a monster for your b.s. (1+ / 0-)

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      talking point that this war is going to save billions of people.

      OK, then I guess Hitler and the Nazis were worth it because they changed history, and made us realize some of the evils of becoming an empire bent on conquering everyone.

      Bullcrap. And bullcrap on your argument that the Iraq War will save billions of lives. You don't believe that. You're just trying to win an argument. And you should be ashamed of it.

      It's a lie. And it's propaganda.

      I'm angry yes; I'm angry because rather than admitting you're WRONG, that this diary is WRONG, that this Iraq War was NOT WORTH IT, you try to make lame connections about saving lives in order to defend it.

      Either your ego is so pathetically puny, that you simply can't admit you blew it, that this diary is some crap argument you dreamt up in order to propose something controversial that people would bother reading; or yes, you're a monster if you actually believe the things you're writing.

      by Plastic Breakfast on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 11:58:44 AM PDT

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      •  Listen (0+ / 0-)

        First off, you say you know what I believe, which is obviously not true.

        Second, I'm not saying it will save lives, I'm saying it might.

        If you think America would change its energy policy dramatically without the shock of this horrible war, within the few years remaining, please make the case for that. But you can't, because we're still increasing our fossil fuel usage even now.

        I can't say if this will be enough of a shock to actually get people to change, but maybe it will. And if it does, then maybe there will be a silver lining to an otherwise horrible black cloud.

        But the words are being lost here, you think I want this war, despite my words. You're so pissed you're not listening at all.

        "we must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization" - Al Gore

        by racerx on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:09:11 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry, I think that's pretty sick. (0+ / 0-)

          And it's a pretty outlandish "maybe" you're using to back up your opinion that the war could be worth 500,000 deaths. Sounds to me like you're just looking for a reason to back up what you've already said at this point, because you didn't think through the costs of the war well enough to begin with.

          by Plastic Breakfast on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 02:37:39 PM PDT

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          •  Again (0+ / 0-)

            you must do just a little math and see how your 500,000 number compares to the projected human cost of climate change. It's not even close.

            You're still clinging to the idea that I am somehow in favor of the war, rather than looking for a positive outcome that can be salvaged from it.

            "we must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization" - Al Gore

            by racerx on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 03:25:08 PM PDT

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            •  Again, your conviction that (1+ / 0-)

              the Iraq War is going to be the reason we save billions of people is FEEBLE.

              And, unless you're now capitulating, you've changed from it was "worth it," to "salvaging something from it."

              Two totally different things, and damning proof of how wrongheaded your diary was to begin with.

              by Plastic Breakfast on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 03:37:49 PM PDT

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              •  You're just a fucking moron aren't you? (0+ / 0-)

                If what is salvaged is more than what it cost, then you might say it's worth it.

                But you're a moron, so that doesn't compute.

                good bye, dumbass.

                "we must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization" - Al Gore

                by racerx on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 12:47:18 PM PDT

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