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in North Carolina law in one of the cases he won.. Which protects patients within NC... So I'd argue getting patients rights is actually a significant accomplishment.
Besides being Bill's husband and alienating the right wing you could argue Hillary's resume is not any better than Edwardses and for that matter Obama's.
You better hope Hillary gets Obama on the ticket to have people actually like voting for her.
I think without realizing it you are actually showing that all of the front runners fail to meet high "qualification standards" but I think being smart is more important than spending lots of time in office.
In general the lesser qualified candidate (less time in office actually wins)
GW Bush beat Kerry Gw Bush beat Al Gore Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole (in the senate 30 years) Bill Clinton Beat George Bush VP for 8 years Ronal REagan Beat Jimmy Carter
the more "qualified" candidate usually loses in the presidential election.
by EdwardsRaysOfSunshine on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 10:56:24 AM PDT
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It has little to do with qualifications.
are the reasons people win general elections...
also,
if you wanted to make an argument for a non-white male to win based strictly on qualifications. Bill Richardson
if you wanted to make an argument for a non-white male to win based strictly on qualifications.
Bill Richardson
should be in your diary otherwise it is simply a bash-edwards diary which is fine Too.. lord knows I bash Hillary.
by EdwardsRaysOfSunshine on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:03:04 AM PDT
Gore would have won by a landslide if:
Gore would have won comfortably (7-8% margin of victory, 350 electoral college votes), even if only one of the first two held.
As is, he still won the popular vote, and almost certainly won Florida
Just say NO to BAYH (for VP)! Here's why!
by NeuvoLiberal on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:05:07 AM PDT
when ranking winners in presidential primaries the less time spent in washington DC the more likely the person is to win...
that's why senators lose to governors and non-office holders can beat sitting presidents (Reagan v. Carter)
by EdwardsRaysOfSunshine on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:10:32 AM PDT
Assuming arguendo that that is so, and has the significance that you ascribe, that puts Obama out front among Senators.
Read and reason.
by francislholland on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:30:17 AM PDT
by EdwardsRaysOfSunshine on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:32:21 AM PDT
If Media did it's job and played a fair and neutral arbiter, and
If that's what it takes for Gore to be elected, then he'll NEVER be elected. Seriously, when has the media ever been a "fair and neutral arbiter"? They're owned by multinational corporations and rich people, after all! They're never going to give our candidates a fair break. We have to find a way to communicate with the public IN SPITE of the media's behavior, not win only in cases where the media is well-behaved.
Clinton managed to build up a seventy percent job approval rating and become more popular, even though and perhaps BECAUSE he successfully dealt with the media's attempts to destroy him. That's the type of politician we need.
The media had a never-ending fascination for Clinton's sex-life to the exclusion of his substantive policy efforts. Bill Clinton made headway anyway.
Nader could easily come back in 2008 or be replaced by another pseudo-Nader. Clinton ran against a third-party candidate in 1992 and won anyway. A candidate who says he can win "only if", and then posits a list of conditions that are not going to be fulfilled anytime soon, is not the best candidate for us.
by francislholland on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:48:09 AM PDT
They're owned by multinational corporations and rich people, after all! They're never going to give our candidates a fair break. We have to find a way to communicate with the public IN SPITE of the media's behavior, not win only in cases where the media is well-behaved.
Fair enough. But, you need to look at exactly what happened that year. It was manifestly awful and too much for one person to handle or even a campaign to handle. And, in 2000, there NO REAL way to counter the media's nonsense (unlike in 2004, when we have some resistance from the netroots, and in 2008, we'll be a lot more powerful).
This article shed light on the unbelievable scale of the attacks on Gore:
February 1, 2000 Al Gore v. the Media By Robert Parry To read the major newspapers and to watch the TV pundit shows, one can't avoid the impression that many in the national press corps have decided that Vice President Al Gore is unfit to be elected the next president of the United States. Across the board -- from The Washington Post to The Washington Times, from The New York Times to the New York Post, from NBC's cable networks to the traveling campaign press corps -- journalists don't even bother to disguise their contempt for Gore anymore. At one early Democratic debate, a gathering of about 300 reporters in a nearby press room hissed and hooted at Gore's answers. Meanwhile, every perceived Gore misstep, including his choice of clothing, is treated as a new excuse to put him on a psychiatrist's couch and find him wanting. Journalists freely call him "delusional," "a liar" and "Zelig." Yet, to back up these sweeping denunciations, the media has relied on a series of distorted quotes and tendentious interpretations of his words, at times following scripts written by the national Republican leadership. In December, for instance, the news media generated dozens of stories about Gore's supposed claim that he discovered the Love Canal toxic waste dump. "I was the one that started it all," he was quoted as saying. This "gaffe" then was used to recycle other situations in which Gore allegedly exaggerated his role or, as some writers put it, told "bold-faced lies." But behind these examples of Gore's "lies" was some very sloppy journalism. The Love Canal flap started when The Washington Post and The New York Times misquoted Gore on a key point and cropped out the context of another sentence to give readers a false impression of what he meant. The error was then exploited by national Republicans and amplified endlessly by the rest of the news media, even after the Post and Times grudgingly filed corrections.
February 1, 2000 Al Gore v. the Media
By Robert Parry
To read the major newspapers and to watch the TV pundit shows, one can't avoid the impression that many in the national press corps have decided that Vice President Al Gore is unfit to be elected the next president of the United States.
Across the board -- from The Washington Post to The Washington Times, from The New York Times to the New York Post, from NBC's cable networks to the traveling campaign press corps -- journalists don't even bother to disguise their contempt for Gore anymore.
At one early Democratic debate, a gathering of about 300 reporters in a nearby press room hissed and hooted at Gore's answers. Meanwhile, every perceived Gore misstep, including his choice of clothing, is treated as a new excuse to put him on a psychiatrist's couch and find him wanting.
Journalists freely call him "delusional," "a liar" and "Zelig." Yet, to back up these sweeping denunciations, the media has relied on a series of distorted quotes and tendentious interpretations of his words, at times following scripts written by the national Republican leadership.
In December, for instance, the news media generated dozens of stories about Gore's supposed claim that he discovered the Love Canal toxic waste dump. "I was the one that started it all," he was quoted as saying. This "gaffe" then was used to recycle other situations in which Gore allegedly exaggerated his role or, as some writers put it, told "bold-faced lies."
But behind these examples of Gore's "lies" was some very sloppy journalism. The Love Canal flap started when The Washington Post and The New York Times misquoted Gore on a key point and cropped out the context of another sentence to give readers a false impression of what he meant.
The error was then exploited by national Republicans and amplified endlessly by the rest of the news media, even after the Post and Times grudgingly filed corrections.
Clinton was good with deflecting the scandals. His job approvals were good because he WAS doing a good job, as was Gore and they were a good team (for getting things done). Gore's job approval were in the 60-70% range during Clinton/Gore.
Clinton would have had a harder time to win in 1992, had it not been for for Gore being on the ticket. Clinton's favorability sharply rose from picking Gore. He gained the lead for the first time in 1992 following a flurry of nationwide editorial praising Gore and Clinton's choice of Gore. Gore helped Clinton carry many states in the south, despite Bush Sr being (technically) from TX.
Nader could easily come back in 2008 or be replaced by another pseudo-Nader.
Yes, but don't forget that Nader got under 1% in 2004, and netroots will be around to set the record straight on lies from them as well.
Clinton ran against a third-party candidate in 1992 and won anyway.
Wrong logic. Perot helped Clinton by:
1.bashing Bush day in and day out
OTOH, Nader attacked Gore 24/7/365.
Don't forget the:
Fundamental Gore/Clinton calculus: Gore helped Clinton win in 1992 heavily, worked day and night to make their administration a success, but Clinton in turn badly hurt Al Gore with his indiscretion and impeachment.
A candidate who says he can win "only if", and then posits a list of conditions that are not going to be fulfilled anytime soon, is not the best candidate for us.
Gore still won before the supreme court snatched it for Bush. He got caught in the middle of too much nonsense (how often is a President caught having a blowjob in the oval office, and lying to the American public, and explaining the meaning of "is"?)
ps: Clinton only got 43% in 1992, and 49% in 1996. Had Perot not run in 1996, Clinton would have got about 53%, which is hardly a good victory for a sitting President with strong record over Dole. Clinton's electoral skills are WAY over-rated.
by NeuvoLiberal on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 12:17:13 PM PDT
Clinton was good with deflecting the scandals.
I would submit to you and all dailykos readers that this above criteria is a sine qua non, (that without which there is nothing). NONE of our candidates can win without a well-developed ability to deflect scandal because the Republican National Committee and their entire apparatus is nothing but a big scandal and personality smear generation machine.
Any candidate who doesn't know how to deal with this already really shouldn't be in the race at all.
We're going to spend 500 MILLION dollars trying to make someone President in 2008, and we simply cannot afford to put boxing clothes on people who have never been by themselves in the boxing ring before.
Judge the candidate's ability to deflect scandals as you will, but we discount the need for that crucial characteristic only "at our own peril", if you'll pardon the phrase.
by francislholland on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 12:33:40 PM PDT
When they have been fabricated, as was the case with the majority of the Clinton 'scandals'.
So it seems to me it would be better to focus on finding candidates who are unlikely to have any real scandals, so that deflecting any imaginary ones that pop up will be a piece of cake.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, because then you are a mile away and have their shoes.
by Flinch on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 12:44:37 PM PDT
with his actions in the first place.
It's time to dispense with naughty play masters and rebuild the nation's democracy from ground up, and return power to the people where it belongs.
That's why Al Gore will make the best President we can possible have. Al Gore offers the most thoughtful, the most visionary leadership at a time the needs it most, as powerfully articulate by Brent Budowsky of the Huffington Post:
Brent Budowsky Huffington Post, 12.10.2006 To Al Gore And All Potential Presidents: About the Next Historical Era of American Patriotic Reform, National Unity and World Leadership If ever there was a man or woman with the experience, judgment, temperament, intellect, stature and knowledge to lead our country through these dangerous waters, it is you, it is here, it is now, and this is why. Mr. Vice President, you have the power to personally transform and elevate our national debate, as you have done with global warming, in ways that will lift the standards of the Democratic Party, lift the discourse of our American democracy, and lift the spirit of a Nation ready to have a serious discussion of the post-Bush era. I have only positive things to say about every Democrat considering running for President. Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Evan Bayh, Chris Dodd, Tom Vilsack, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, Wes Clark, are all enormously talented and gifted and any one of them could grow into the role of the next FDR, Truman or Kennedy. I believe Democrats should enter 2007 with our version of Ronald Reagan's Eleventh Commandmant and spend 2007 praising them all, and listening to their leadership. But you, Mr. Vice President, are different. Never in the history of either political party can I think of any potential candidate or potential President as commander-in-chief qualified as you are, today. After eight years of a catastrophic President so uninterested in world affairs that he did not even travel the world as a student, tourist or Governor before assuming the most powerful job on earth I believe that qualifications, experience, judgment and knowledge will be the hallmark qualities needed in our next President.
Brent Budowsky Huffington Post, 12.10.2006
To Al Gore And All Potential Presidents: About the Next Historical Era of American Patriotic Reform, National Unity and World Leadership
If ever there was a man or woman with the experience, judgment, temperament, intellect, stature and knowledge to lead our country through these dangerous waters, it is you, it is here, it is now, and this is why.
Mr. Vice President, you have the power to personally transform and elevate our national debate, as you have done with global warming, in ways that will lift the standards of the Democratic Party, lift the discourse of our American democracy, and lift the spirit of a Nation ready to have a serious discussion of the post-Bush era.
I have only positive things to say about every Democrat considering running for President. Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Evan Bayh, Chris Dodd, Tom Vilsack, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, Wes Clark, are all enormously talented and gifted and any one of them could grow into the role of the next FDR, Truman or Kennedy.
I believe Democrats should enter 2007 with our version of Ronald Reagan's Eleventh Commandmant and spend 2007 praising them all, and listening to their leadership.
But you, Mr. Vice President, are different.
Never in the history of either political party can I think of any potential candidate or potential President as commander-in-chief qualified as you are, today.
After eight years of a catastrophic President so uninterested in world affairs that he did not even travel the world as a student, tourist or Governor before assuming the most powerful job on earth I believe that qualifications, experience, judgment and knowledge will be the hallmark qualities needed in our next President.
by NeuvoLiberal on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 12:48:44 PM PDT
I personally know more than a few people who have taken cases to the US Supreme Court or state supreme courts, but I wouldn't have thought they all were eligible to be president on that basis alone.
by francislholland on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:40:00 AM PDT
standards for being president.
other than that there are NO qualifications to be president.
therefore I will vote for edwards or Obama if I have a choice.
by EdwardsRaysOfSunshine on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:43:01 AM PDT
wide narrow
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