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  •  What's Going to Wake Them Up? (4.00 / 2)

    They'd have to hear or see something very big and extraordinarily contrary to what they understand the situation to be.

    There's no mechanism to accomplish that.

    Anyways, the people don't impeach, only the elected reps can, and they don't have to if they don't want to.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 06:41:36 PM PDT

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    •  Bah! (4.00 / 6)

      Self-fulfilling prophesy.

      What politician would want to go about the messy business of impeachment if everyone just accepted the status quo. If WE don't start making noise, I can guarantee you three more years of Bush. As for me, I'll do anything to keep the possibility of a more rapid departure open.

      Keep hope alive! Keep hope alive! Keep hope alive!

      "Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." --James Madison, Federalist 10

      by mrhelper on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 06:48:42 PM PDT

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    •  One huge media dilema is (none / 1)

      that Americans aren't really, well, readers.  It's a problem.

      Education = Democracy.

      Shoot, darn! says the GOP, who knew that would happen?  Heckava job, property tax based education.  Well done!  And right on time...

      "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

      by Unduna on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 07:07:30 PM PDT

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      •  You're right (none / 0)

        I'm living in Europe at the moment and my little local shops (7-11 type shops) in my small village have about 10 to 15 newspapers to select from every day. And usually by the end of the day, most of them are gone.

        Recently I was visiting family and friends in the southwest TX, NM, AZ, UT. And I would be lucky to find even one in the local 7-11 or other store. Most times not even the USA Today. Not even a People magazine -- nothing.

        It's amazing. And all the radio stations here have news on the hour -- real news. Even the popular music stations. And they have real debate and discussions on current political issues, on the popular radio stations and even on TV.

    •  whats that one joke? (none / 0)

      we could have video of george w bush f***king a dead dog on the white house lawn while his family watched and republicans would still vote for him.
    •  Now vs the 2006 elections (none / 0)

      Anyways, the people don't impeach, only the elected reps can, and they don't have to if they don't want to.

      A Democratic House and Senate might want to after 2006, and by that time they might see the impertative to impeach and convict to stop Bush's virtual military/Executive Branch coup d'etat and reinstate the rule of law.

      Okay, it's a lot of work to make a Demo Congress happen but that's our only avenue. Let's get to it! All our energy has to be devoted to that objective. Not just to impeach Bush but to get back to sane, competent governance. Together we can do it.  Dean is paving the way in a 50-state buildup of the Demo Party and Feingold is coming up with some good rhetoric reminding Americans we're looking at 1776 all over again. Now if we can just get rid of electronic voting machines and protect the ballot.   We're getting "smoking gun fatigue" because we in the blogosphere are paying so much attention, but a lot of average Americans out there (believe it or not) are starting to wonder -- hey, what's going on here? Even if the American newsmedia sleeps on this story from Britain.

      •  I agree (none / 1)

        ...but I would also like to think that there are enough responsible republicans in the House that if enough of their constituients raised hell, they would have to capitulate, especially now that their IV to campaign money is under indictment.

        I would like to encourage all of us who live in a Republican's district, no matter how much we may cynically think they won't do anything, to call/write/fax their representatives.

        This is how it is supposed to work, anyway.  This is our most direct hope of changing the tragic direction our nation and world is taking.  

        And it would also be wise to mention to any dems/greens/libertarians who may consider running on an impeachment platform to GO FOR IT!!!

        Some pretty amazing spokesman for the people once said "First they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they fight you, then you WIN..."

        ¨An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war.¨ - Mark Twain

        by Indiana Bob on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:18:08 PM PDT

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        •  only way the repubs would do anything (none / 0)

          would be if their re-election depended on it.  look at delay... they won't go near that man with a ten foot pole right now.  he's radioactive.  they want the 'appearance' of clean... not necessarily clean though.  and that is what bugs me the most.  they replace delay with another 'delay'.  but they 'appear' to be fixing the problem.  i can see where this is going.  but i digress...

          the only way his party will turn on him is if he becomes radioactive.  how do we achieve this, because as far as i can see, everything that has come out so far should have done the trick so far.  what the hell do we need to do to get this man some justice!  i am at a loss.  the sheep don't seem to pay attention to anything the herder does.

        •  good point. (none / 0)

          the repug bastards will jump on the bandwagon to save their sorry asses

          a splendid time is guaranteed for all

          by KBueno on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:49:51 AM PDT

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    •  A telling excerpt from (none / 0)

      today's Last Chance Democracy Cafe, set in 2069:

      "So what happened?" he asked. "How did things end up the way they are now? Did the military take over?

      "No, we didn't wake up one morning and find tanks in the streets, if that's what you're asking; nothing so melodramatic. It was more like the way global warming caused the glaciers to disappear from Glacier National Park . . . an inch at a time. A lot of it started during George W. Bush's administration. He wasn't a dictator himself, at least not in the absolute sense the president is today. But he was the one who set things in motion. He claimed that he had the right to seize American citizens and hold them prisoner indefinitely, based upon nothing more than his own say so. He ordered illegal surveillance of Americans and imposed unprecedented secrecy on governmental affairs. He authorized torture of prisoners, built secret prisons and convinced much of the public that disagreeing with the government was unpatriotic. But most importantly, he established the precedent that the president is above the law . . . free to ignore duly enacted statutes at his pleasure. And that was the beginning of the end. Because no one can be above the law in a democracy and still have it be a democracy."

      Joe nodded that he understood.

      "The thing is," continued the old man, "we didn't stop him. That's what's really so sad: The truth is that no one took freedom from us. We gave it away."

      We can't wait for something big to happen.  We have to take steps to stop this creeping, incremental fascism, NOW.  And a general observation for anyone reading this: if the most you're doing is reading and posting on a blog, you aren't doing enough.

      The History Commons needs your participation.

      by Black Max on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:58:40 AM PDT

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