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by winkler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:29:20 AM PDT
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oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.
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by hekebolos on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:31:52 AM PDT
The old adage applies here..."Talk Is Cheap". What do his ACTIONS say about his political leanings.
I DON'T KNOW...I'm just asking the question.
Has anyone researched his writings/actions/affiliations/speeches from his days in the military? How about from his appearances on Faux News (which is an AUTOMATIC Red Flag for me)?
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. ~Edward R. Murrow
by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 09:52:04 AM PDT
by DemInLux on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:11:43 AM PDT
SO BACK OFF!
by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:24:20 AM PDT
His appearances on Fox News are simply an extension of the strategy he'd like us ALL to engage in. He wants us to TALK to the other side. We win when the facts come out. He's out there speaking the truth when how many other voices on Fox are?
by AKTup on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:21:06 AM PDT
by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:27:41 AM PDT
by eve on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:16:19 PM PDT
See the difference, Clark is a sane rational Dem using every means possible to avoid us using heavy handed tactics until the truly last resort. Where as Hillary is an actual Hawk on these issues.
Don't Trust Politicians
by Donkey Rising on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 06:24:54 AM PDT
by mlkisler on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 03:08:08 PM PDT
by Donkey Rising on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 08:47:28 PM PDT
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by Knightrider on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:34:16 AM PDT
The talk like Dems, they act like Dems, the ARE Dems.
They are progressives on domestic issues, believe America has been led fundamentally astray, and that Iraq was was a huge miscalculation that has distracted from the battle against terrorism. They want to take the patriotism, dedication, intelligence and enthusiasm with which they served our nation in the military to the halls of congress to put our nation back on course.
And Clark is the greatest of them all. Wes has heart and spirit and intelligence. He has what it takes to lead our nation in this time of grief when we stand on the cusp of becoming a totalitarian state under a plutocracy.
The fighting dems want to fight the neocons, not wars. They are not chickenhawks, but neither are they hawks. They believe armed force is the very last option that a nation should take after every other recourse has beene exhausted.
Well, I could go on - and I will elsewhere - but see for yourself this Wednesday when some nearly four dozen veterans gather on the steps of the capital with Max Cleland at ten am in the morning and then meet for a huge event in the evening with a star studded cast of speakers. Air America will carry it live.
Noel
by noelschutz on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:45:50 AM PDT
Only one solution: Swiftboat the bastard!
And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (chuckle) is working very well for them. (Barbara Bush)
by Krusty on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:56:25 AM PDT
Not impressed by the "fighting dems" argument. I think it's going to blow up in Rahmmy Boy's face. Then again, I'm biased...I DESPISE everything (political) that Rahm stands for.
by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 09:57:03 AM PDT
... not really sure what you stand for, though, other than what you stand against.
by Knightrider on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:40:21 AM PDT
Rahm is as corrupt as they come. He's been implicated (NOT INDICTED) in a huge political scandal here in Chicago. I do think he will be indicted for something...take your pick...in the next 24 months.
Wes was a LOBBYIST...That makes him "guilty by association", if not outright guilty, of CORRUPTION...And CORRUPTION will be what the '06, and possibly even the '08 elections will be all about.
by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:35:30 AM PDT
'nough said.
congratulations on your foreskin -- osteriser
by bartman on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:31:44 AM PDT
But Clark is real. He called this war the foolish mistake it was, from the beginning, when "The Democrats" were all gung-ho about it.
by Dumbo on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 02:23:23 AM PDT
Let us no forget who originally recruited General Clark...That's right boys and girls, it's was Rahmmy Boy's good friends...Hill & Bill!
He may not be a republican, but he's sure as HELL Republican Lite! And we have ten years of failures to prove that DLC is a LOSING strategy.
by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:06:25 AM PDT
by cheviteau on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:07:24 AM PDT
Hillary and Wes couldn't be more different.
by Donkey Rising on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 06:39:03 AM PDT
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur: "The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived."
by SignalSuzie on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 04:31:56 AM PDT
You would be surprised, but then, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Traditionally, military have been barred from being partial (wearing public dress at partisan events). And many people in the military generally stand by that. Of course the ones you hear from most are the ones who don't.
However, the top people they MUST respect are those appointees by the President, (and the President himself) and right now that means Rumsfeld and Condi, so it doesn't matter what party they are in, they won't dis their superiors, they would get in big trouble.
by lilorphant on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 06:22:17 AM PDT
Although JFK died before I was born and I've never met jfk, I have met Wes Clark several times. The man is a Democrat. Period.
by mariawells on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 06:32:15 AM PDT
It's easy: www.secruingamerica.com
by reggiesmom on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 07:17:47 AM PDT
("securing" was spelled wrong in the link above)
by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:16:06 AM PDT
"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork" - Mae West
by Harper on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 07:28:57 AM PDT
by Donkey Rising on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 07:52:25 AM PDT
Harper, your agenda is loud and clear. From the title of your post in caps "CLARK/REPUBLICAN" to you placing "NOT TRUST CLARK" in caps and finally your "Feingold for President!!!" line. It's ashame you feel you have to down a potential primary opponent to pump up your guy.
by Prison4Bushco on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 08:20:31 AM PDT
by alwaysquestion on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:31:27 AM PDT
by Harper on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:13:53 PM PDT
by cheviteau on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:36:40 AM PDT
John F. Kennedy brought us the Bay of Pigs/Cuban Missile Crisis.
Jimmy Carter brought us the Iranian Embassy Hostages and double-digit inflation.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for another democratic officer, now, is it???
by mlkisler on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 03:18:08 PM PDT
by ArkySue on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 04:49:35 PM PDT
by cheviteau on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 05:08:37 PM PDT
by PSzymeczek on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 08:36:04 PM PDT
by PSzymeczek on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 08:37:22 PM PDT
The men and women in the military, who, by the way, swear an oath to uphold the constitution and to protect the country from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, have been callously used by the Bush neocons over the last 3 years. Some of them are mad as hell and not going to take it any more. They are welcome, as far as I am concerned, to the Democratic party as our allies and I hope the ones willing to run for office succeed. I myself had not really paid attention to politics and only became a Democrat when I started receiving the ugly neocon campaign literature of a Bush clone guy in Texas a few years ago. Teddy Roosevelt, if he came back today would not believe what the Republican party has sunk to under Bush/Cheney and let's not forget pappy Bush and if you wish Reagan. All hacks. Teddy Roosevelt was an environmentalist and conservationist, I believe.
by eve on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:43:53 AM PDT
As the military serves to defend American values abroad and (regardless of what we think about specific instances of this) help promulgate them outside our borders, it makes sense that its members would stand closer to the party that best upholds those best values of the country. I would hope that most here consider Democrats to be that party.
I think the trend toward Republican support in the military and particular among the officer corps had to do with real and perceived Democratic disdain for the armed forces from the mid-1960s through the '90s. But after the abuses and misuses of the Bush administration on the military, and the prominence of veterans as our last two presidential nominees, and the emergence in this cycle of the Fighting Dems, we have a real chance to turn this back around and reconnect with our Kennedy-era support among service members and their families.
Let's not toss it away with lazy thinking or (worse) elitist dismissal of the soldiery.
Ambition, Impatience and Sloth: Politics, culture and more
by dajafi on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:07:54 AM PDT
Impeach the whole bunch!!!
by regis on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:25:59 AM PDT
While career military officer tend to be from the south and conservative Republicans, there are plenty of Democrats in the military.
Opposition to Bush and the Republicans is as strong as I have seen it since I was commissioned in 1960. Many of us, especially combat veterans, oppose Bush, Cheney,Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al, for their criminal mismanagement of the war on terrorism and believe that we should never have gone to war with Iraq in the first place.
by Fred in Santa Cruz on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 05:06:16 PM PDT
wide narrow
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