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  •  Clark is a Repub in drag. (1.72 / 11)

    but, i could be wrong.
    i just never met an Officer that was a Dem.
    or admitted to being one. but, Clark could be the first
    i suppose.
    •  no. he's not. (4.00 / 5)

      meet him.  talk to him.  you'll quickly learn otherwise.

      oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

      My blog. Come visit.

      by hekebolos on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:31:52 AM PDT

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      •  Talk Is Cheap (none / 0)

        "meet him.  talk to him"

        The old adage applies here..."Talk Is Cheap". What do his ACTIONS say about his political leanings.

        I DON'T KNOW...I'm just asking the question.

        Has anyone researched his writings/actions/affiliations/speeches from his days in the military? How about from his appearances on Faux News (which is an AUTOMATIC Red Flag for me)?

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. ~Edward R. Murrow

        by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 09:52:04 AM PDT

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        •  This stuff isn't a mystery (2.50 / 2)

          He's been on the VERY public circuit for a few years, gazillions of articles have been written about him, and yet you presume he's a Republican in drag on the basis of...not much.  I suggest you do some research on this then come back to join the discussion.
        •  Clark (4.00 / 5)

          Yes, I've reasearched him extensively (more than you'd care to know).  The only concrete (verifiable, third party) evidence I can point you to, directly, is Samantha Powers's book "A Problem from Hell, America in a Time of Genocide"  She points out that Clark was the ony one pressing to stop the genocide in Rwanda.  He was tight with Madeleine Albright (I don't think that anyone would question her Dem bonafides) and many others.  And a large part of Clark's retiring early is the relationship between him and Clinton's republican appointees.  

          His appearances on Fox News are simply an extension of the strategy he'd like us ALL to engage in.  He wants us to TALK to the other side.  We win when the facts come out.  He's out there speaking the truth when how many other voices on Fox are?

        •  Churchill believed the old saw (none / 1)

          "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".
          I believe that Clark's thoughtful commentary on Faux has been an effort to reach out to those listeners who are being terrorized by O'Reilly and Hannity. The weapon in the neocon war waged against Americans is fear. Clark's personal courage and calm demeaner when he's on FAUX may be an effective antidote to that fear. I read somewhere that one time, at the start of a commercial break when his mike was still on, O'Reilly could be heard complaining that Clark was taking over the show.
          O'Reilly's shtick is his anger which he uses to bully people. Clark has O'Reilly's number, I think,  and succeeds in disarming that anger.
          It's pretty amazing to see.
        •  Did read what he said on faux? (none / 0)

          He's advocating OUR policies, and he's actually well to the left of some Dems on Iran, calling for direct talks with the Iranian government before we went to the IAEA or U.N. Security council. The people who have been getting all their information and opinions from the likes of Sean Hannity and Bill Oreilly are the people who need to hear this most. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton has called for U.N. Sanctions on Iran trying to out hawk the Bush Administration.

          See the difference, Clark is a sane rational Dem using every means possible to avoid us using heavy handed tactics until the truly last resort. Where as Hillary is an actual Hawk on these issues.

          Don't Trust Politicians

          by Donkey Rising on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 06:24:54 AM PDT

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    •  Tell that to the 53 Fighting Dems....vs 2 GOPs (4.00 / 7)

      running for Congress, ... or has your head been up some of those GOPs in drag?
      •  Now it is 60 Dem vets when I update my site (4.00 / 17)

        Well over 60, KR, but a couple are being held back until formal announcements, etc. But I have 59 solid DEMOCRATIC candidates, mostly officers, many career men, from every branch of service and a large portion combat vets from the Gulf and Iraq wars.

        The talk like Dems, they act like Dems, the ARE Dems.

        They are progressives on domestic issues, believe America has been led fundamentally astray, and that Iraq was was a huge miscalculation that has distracted from the battle against terrorism. They want to take the patriotism, dedication, intelligence and enthusiasm with which they served our nation in the military to the halls of congress to put our nation back on course.

        And Clark is the greatest of them all. Wes has heart and spirit and intelligence. He has what it takes to lead our nation in this time of grief when we stand on the cusp of becoming a totalitarian state under a plutocracy.

        The fighting dems want to fight the neocons, not wars. They are not chickenhawks, but neither are they hawks. They believe armed force is the very last option that a nation should take after every other recourse has beene exhausted.

        Well, I could go on - and I will elsewhere - but see for yourself this Wednesday when some nearly four dozen veterans gather on the steps of the capital with Max Cleland at ten am in the morning and then meet for a huge event in the evening with a star studded cast of speakers. Air America will carry it live.

        Noel

        •  Too Much Sense (none / 0)

          General Clark is making too much sense.

          Only one solution: Swiftboat the bastard!

          And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (chuckle) is working very well for them. (Barbara Bush)

          by Krusty on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:56:25 AM PDT

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      •  Fighting Dems (none / 0)

        And they were all (most anyway) recruited by RAHM EMANUEL...Mr. Republican Lite Himself!

        Not impressed by the "fighting dems" argument. I think it's going to blow up in Rahmmy Boy's face. Then again, I'm biased...I DESPISE everything (political) that Rahm stands for.

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. ~Edward R. Murrow

        by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 09:57:03 AM PDT

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        •  Eric Massa (NY-29th) co-founded the Fighting Dems (none / 0)

          ... and it was through his leadership, as well as most of the 60- Fighting Dems that banded together in unity. Most all were not recruited and are not supported financially by Rahm or the DCCC.

          ... not really sure what you stand for, though, other than what you stand against.

          •  Against (none / 0)

            What I'm against is Political Corruption...On EITHER side of the aisle!

            Rahm is as corrupt as they come. He's been implicated (NOT INDICTED) in a huge political scandal here in Chicago. I do think he will be indicted for something...take your pick...in the next 24 months.

            Wes was a LOBBYIST...That makes him "guilty by association", if not outright guilty, of CORRUPTION...And CORRUPTION will be what the '06, and possibly even the '08 elections will be all about.

            No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. ~Edward R. Murrow

            by mlkisler on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:35:30 AM PDT

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    •  Evangellical Millitary Officer (4.00 / 12)

      Jimmy Carter.

      'nough said.

      congratulations on your foreskin -- osteriser

      by bartman on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:31:44 AM PDT

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    •  We have a lot of Republicans in drag... (4.00 / 9)

      They're in the US Senate and House.  They go by names like Biden and Liebermann and Hillary.

      But Clark is real.  He called this war the foolish mistake it was, from the beginning, when "The Democrats" were all gung-ho about it.

    •  Military Officers as Dems.... (4.00 / 13)

      Actually, I know quite a few. And, I'm married to one (usaf col. ret.). Most of them are retired--which just goes to show you the power of the propagandizing that goes on within active-duty ranks. However, having said that, the ones I know who are Dems are horrified at this administration and disgusted with the foreign and domestic policies of this Republican Party. They are also deeply and profoundly pained at the destruction of the military they love and spent their lives serving. So, don't distrust Clark just because he is smarter than the average retired military officer. Instead, hear him and hope that he speaks to others within the military who also can see what's going on but who aren't allowed to speak openly about it.

      Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur: "The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived."

      by SignalSuzie on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 04:31:56 AM PDT

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    •  My DAD was/is (4.00 / 2)

      a Democratic Officer (retired).

      You would be surprised, but then, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Traditionally, military have been barred from being partial (wearing public dress at partisan events). And many people in the military generally stand by that. Of course the ones you hear from most are the ones who don't.

      However, the top people they MUST respect are those appointees by the President, (and the President himself) and right now that means Rumsfeld and Condi, so it doesn't matter what party they are in, they won't dis their superiors, they would get in big trouble.

    •  JFK... (4.00 / 5)

      and jfk.

      Although JFK died before I was born and I've never met jfk, I have met Wes Clark several times.  The man is a Democrat.  Period.

    •  You're just showing your ignorance (none / 0)

      by parrotting that tired meme.  Please, educate yourself about General Clark before you go spouting off that drivel and making a fool of yourself again!

      It's easy:  www.secruingamerica.com

    •  CLARK/REPUBLICAN (none / 0)

      ACTUALLY, I've spoken with a few veterans who state simply that having a military President, at THIS time, especially, would be a great mistake. Plus, many have also said they do NOT TRUST CLARK.
      Feingold for President!!!

      "His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork" - Mae West

      by Harper on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 07:28:57 AM PDT

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      •  Did you make sure they were Dems? (none / 0)

        Republican operatives would love to derail any chance of a Clark candidacy and are working actively to do so.

        Don't Trust Politicians

        by Donkey Rising on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 07:52:25 AM PDT

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      •  BFD (4.00 / 2)

        oh my, you say you have spoken with a "few" veterans who wouldn't want a "military" president at this time. That's the election right there folks... let's pack it in because no less an authority that those "few" vets, who Harper has claimed to have spoken to, don't trust Clark.

        Harper, your agenda is loud and clear. From the title of your post in caps "CLARK/REPUBLICAN" to you placing "NOT TRUST CLARK" in caps and finally your "Feingold for President!!!" line. It's ashame you feel you have to down a potential primary opponent to pump up your guy.  

        •  not to mention (none / 0)

          that Feingold and Clark could possibly team up for 2008.  Who knows?  I don't like the DLC, but I am absolutely not convinced that just because Clark took help from the Clintons that he isn't his own man.  I think ANY candidate would have taken help from where ever they could get it and still keep their adgenda and talking points sharp.  Especially if they are smart enough to raise money $20 at a time over the internet from grassroots and lesson the corp. bucks if they can.
        •  CHILL (none / 0)

          Just stating my opinion, which we are free to do on this site. Not trying to denounce, really, but I do encourage looking at all sides. There is something to be said in favor of "intellectual curiosity".

          "His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork" - Mae West

          by Harper on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:13:53 PM PDT

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    •  Democrats as officers (none / 0)

      Lyndon Johnson WWII, John Kennedy WWII,  Jimmy Carter.  Where do you get this stuff?
    •  check out: (none / 0)

      http://www.vetpac.org/...

      The men and women in the military, who, by the way, swear an oath to uphold the constitution and to protect the country from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, have been callously used by the Bush neocons over the last 3 years. Some of them are mad as hell and not going to take it any more. They are welcome, as far as I am concerned, to the Democratic party as our allies and I hope the ones willing to run for office succeed.
      I myself had not really paid attention to politics and only became a Democrat when I started receiving the ugly neocon campaign literature of a Bush clone guy in Texas a few years ago.
      Teddy Roosevelt, if he came back today would not believe what the Republican party has sunk to under Bush/Cheney and let's not forget pappy Bush and if you wish Reagan. All hacks. Teddy Roosevelt was an environmentalist and conservationist, I believe.

    •  WWII, anyone? (4.00 / 2)

      What's so hard to comprehend about Democrats who believe in strength in the world and progressive governance at home? That strand in our party has a fine lineage dating back at least to John F. Kennedy and dozens of other Democratic Reps, Senators, Governors and millions of rank-and-file voters who served our country against the Nazis and Japanese in the 1940s and responded to the threat of authoritarian Communism for the four decades following.

      As the military serves to defend American values abroad and (regardless of what we think about specific instances of this) help promulgate them outside our borders, it makes sense that its members would stand closer to the party that best upholds those best values of the country. I would hope that most here consider Democrats to be that party.

      I think the trend toward Republican support in the military and particular among the officer corps had to do with real and perceived Democratic disdain for the armed forces from the mid-1960s through the '90s. But after the abuses and misuses of the Bush administration on the military, and the prominence of veterans as our last two presidential nominees, and the emergence in this cycle of the Fighting Dems, we have a real chance to turn this back around and reconnect with our Kennedy-era support among service members and their families.

      Let's not toss it away with lazy thinking or (worse) elitist dismissal of the soldiery.

    •  You didn't meet me! (none / 0)

      How about General Hoar???  I can name hundreds.
      I was stationed with Gen. Clark, he is a great man. Kind, Funny, smart...and all the traits of good Dems.

      Impeach the whole bunch!!!

      by regis on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:25:59 AM PDT

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    •  Democrat Military Officers (none / 0)

      Your statements show your ignorance about Wesley Clark and his positions, as well as the military in general. How many officers have you met? Did you ever serve in the military; see combat?

      While career military officer tend to be from the south and conservative Republicans, there are plenty of Democrats in the military.

      Opposition to Bush and the Republicans is as strong as I have seen it since I was commissioned in 1960. Many of us, especially combat veterans, oppose Bush, Cheney,Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al, for their criminal mismanagement of the war on terrorism and believe that we should never have gone to war with Iraq in the first place.

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