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  •  Tip jar (18+ / 0-)

    Any contributions to my fine for the next citation I receive from an automated system?  ;^)

    We're all in this together.

    by JTML on Wed Apr 19, 2006 at 09:43:27 AM PDT

    •  Another link for you (2+ / 0-)

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      I should have included this in the main diary.  Here's a link to the Speed Trap Exchange site (if you've never visited it, you should take a look):
      http://www.speedtrap.org/... .

      We're all in this together.

      by JTML on Wed Apr 19, 2006 at 10:43:49 AM PDT

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      •  I probably shouldn't say anything (3+ / 0-)

        I work for an American company that competes with Redflex for this business. I'm not terribly happy that my company has gotten into this arena, but the people involved do seem to be genuinely interested in saving lives. Of course, they're also genuinely interested in making a profit off of the practice, too.

        Last year, they were planning to compete for all of these red light enforcement programs that were beginning to roll out around the country. They had put together a pretty good technology, very nice promo materials, and a pretty good price, but in state after state, and city after city, they got beat out of the process by this company no one had heard of called 'Redflex'. Pretty soon, they had wrapped up most of the business. Now, the traffic and enforcement business is so much an old-boy network, it wasn't really surprising that somebody was somehow working an inside angle. I'm not in that division and am only hearing about this stuff second-hand, but I gather that several of our bids were under Redflex, but the programs still went to them.

        In any case, I hate the idea of getting a ticket via remote-control. I've managed to avoid it, even though we have no more knowledge about this than the regular public. The group that does the verification (that part is all done by human eyeballs) is behind keycode locked doors, but with interior windows so everybody can be watched. Actually, it's kind of creepy.

        And some people have had some success fighting the tickets. I doubt that the American people are going to let this program get very entrenched. It just pisses off too many people.

        -- I share no man's opinions; I have my own. -Ivan Turgenev -6.75 -3.79

        by tergenev on Wed Apr 19, 2006 at 09:22:24 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for your contribution (1+ / 0-)

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          Gegner

          It wouldn't surprise me if Redflex was employing monopolists' tactics in pitching their services to additional states and cities.  Did you notice the statement from its annual report that commercial traffic enforcement in this country is in its infancy?

          My guess is (and I really should talk to a clerk in the Ventura County traffic enforcement office), most people do NOT fight their tickets.  I found both the yellow light timing provision and the confidentiality requirement (which the police agency for which Redflex is processing citations is ignoring) in the Vehicle Code.  Most people never have looked at the Vehicle Code.

          It's the same thing for speeding tickets.  Most people don't fight speeding tickets; they pay the bail amount and just accept whatever effect the conviction has on their insurance rates.  That's the scary thing about Redflex pushing photo radar systems these days.

          We're all in this together.

          by JTML on Wed Apr 19, 2006 at 09:42:41 PM PDT

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        •  List of manufacturers (0+ / 0-)

          Here's a link to the page on the trade association site where various manufacturers are listed:
          http://www.sense.bc.ca/... .

          That's a Canadian site.  Notice how many foreign manufacturers want a piece of the North American pie.

          We're all in this together.

          by JTML on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 02:38:33 AM PDT

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