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One of the memes put in general circulation by anti-fraudsters in the post-2004 election debates was that it would take too many people to falsify votes. One person. Not too many with only one person.
I look forward to reading the story. Thanks for the link.
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by CalbraithRodgers on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:44:59 AM PDT
Any defense of electronic voting at all at this point in time is thoroughly fraudulent and corrupt to the point of treasonous. Set aside suspicions of what may have occured in the past. The potential for abuse is so vividly obvious as to be beyond any reasonable question. Those that defend electronic voting without advocating massive security overhauls are subverting democracy. Whether their motives are for profit, electoral control, or the ability to report the "winner" by morning is immaterial. They are beholden to interests in direct opposition to democratic principles and the Constitution. They disgust me.
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by Progressive Liberaltarian on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:05:56 AM PDT
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you are confused it seems to me. You keep talking about democracy and everybody knows that this is a capitalist society and capitalism, the religion of all GOP officials, is the one place where the laws of nature work. So your democracy, which is a figment of man's imagination, must yield to Darwin's law of Evolution in which survival of the fittest, winner take all, to the victor goes the spoils, all apply. It is the law of the jungle, there is no way around it. The Constitution is nice for some things, but not for important things. The Declaration of Independence mentions "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," but it sure doesn't mention "fairness."
So my advice to you, bucko, is two-fold: (1) get over it, and (2) if you don't own a voting machine business, buy one, you'll love doing business with GOP Secretaries of State.
(Ordinarily I wouldn't say that I am only kidding, but the rant I just wrote sounds to true to the Repubs way of thinking that I wanted to make it clear that I agree with your comments, Progressive Liberaltarian.)
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by hestal on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 09:02:18 AM PDT
Just as people had to die in the American Revolution so others could live free, I can see how stealing elections away from Republicans is acceptable to save our constitutional democratic republic from them, if there's no alternative. Certainly there's no "Second Amendment" alternative of armed resistance, that the gun fetishists would prefer.
If the chances that stealing the election from Republicans would destroy democracy were compellingly less than the chances that Republican election stealing would destroy democracy, the case seems clear. We already know the Republican half of that comparison.
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by DocGonzo on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 09:55:51 AM PDT
Why the Constitution is Irrelevant: Perception is reality. And ignorance is bliss. This country is no longer guided by the Constitution because of the confluence of two factors. The media, now corporate owned and controlled, has abdicated its position as seeker and distributor of the truth in favor of maintenance of a status quo that accomplishes nothing except the enrichment their bank accounts. Just as perversely, the American public has abandoned its civic duty of remaining informed about, and actively participating in the political process. In fact, the public has sunk even lower than this: they freely choose to willingly be ignorant, and through sheer intellectual laziness have decided that reality-based thinking requires too much effort, and instead turn to faith-based "reasoning" and subjugate themselves to the "authority" of those that "know better" than they do. The media churns out its loud, bright, and shiny propoganda on a 24/7 basis, and this perception becomes reality when no further effort is then made by anyone to seek any knowledge independently. The republicans literally are "creating reality", because they are creating and controlling what we see and hear. And the american public just sits cowering in our bubbles of denial and pray "please, please don't take away my SUV."
I've never recycled a comment before, but this was just too appropriate. Don't kill me!! :)
by Progressive Liberaltarian on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 10:34:22 AM PDT
You (or those you satirize) are using a cardboard figure of Darwinism to justify political fraud and the rule of the powerful and most corrupt. This goes on too often to let this pass (see extensive literature on "Social Darwinism").
Those interested should start by reading Darwin's chapter on "The Struggle for Existence", Ch.3, Origin of Species:
I should premise that I use the term Struggle for Existence in a large and metaphorical sense, including dependence of one being on another, and including (which is more important) not only the life of the individual, but success in leaving progeny.
You could follow up by reading Social Darwinism in European and American Thought, as an introduction, or Richard Hofstadter's classic, Social Darwinism in American Thought.
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by Valtin on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 11:21:32 AM PDT
Is Social Darwinism a good explanation of society?
Does American Society follow the precepts of Social Darwinism?
Are the societal consequences of Social Darwinism a good thing? For example, Wealth Distribution, Health, protection of the environment?
Does Social Darwinism work as Evolution by Natural Selection does wherein the "struggle," or inter-species interactions and intra-species interactions between individuals, are simply mindless and without purpose other than that applied by the individuals in pursuit of self-interest?
Is there something inherent within Social Darwinism that supports social justice, for justice is surely not part, in any fashion, of Evolution by Natural Selection?
by hestal on Mon Jul 03, 2006 at 08:30:14 AM PDT
I tried to recommend diary and it wouldn't record my recommend. Yesterday, I had the same problem with comments on and off during the day. I thought it might be a software problem from my end then I remembered I was on two different computers. One a wifi connection, the other a comcast. Any ideas or has this been a problem for anyone else.
Don't won't to hijack thread just wanted to bring it to someones attention.
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by TexDem on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:15:14 AM PDT
you can't trust any e-voting code nowadays it seems... not even on DKos! =P
Seriously though, perhaps it's a browser issue... did you use the same browser on both machines? It feels as if the general site flakiness from last week has passed by so it shouldn't be that.
by Elohite on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:44:38 AM PDT
by TexDem on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:50:35 AM PDT
MS Explorer is buggy and part of the MS monopoly. Why does that guy have so much money to give away? Sure, that all sounds great, but how many politicians did he buy to amass the billions?
by MD patriot on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 10:15:25 AM PDT
reco's that just kept the orange ball of joy rolling, then nothing happening. I'm using Firefox.
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by high uintas on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 09:11:05 AM PDT
Try the year 2000, and then the year 2004.
by superba on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:21:29 AM PDT
when it takes them six years to report on a story and then they still call it news...
by methodishca on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 11:19:58 AM PDT
to a Republican audience in New Hampshire that on election night 2004, he was at his computer, using "very sophisticated software" that allowed him to track the election results all over the country, "precinct by precinct". Can someone find the link?
by Barcelona on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 06:12:52 AM PDT
wide narrow
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