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Export democracy: Draft a Republican.
by turbonium on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:19:50 PM PDT
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And he (Armando) obviously didn't read it.
by lombard on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:22:09 PM PDT
Everybody dies alone.
by Armando on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:27:18 PM PDT
And we do a poor job of creating and pushing the themes. Instead we are reactive. A little reaction is good. You can use their words against them and reaction requires less creativity. But with a predominate strategy of reaction, the other side is never on the defensive.
His call to create imaginative opposition frames that maintain the values of the majority of Americans instead of just tinkering with (and defending against) the Republican ones should be a major goal of an electoral task force.
by lombard on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:33:48 PM PDT
We don't have time for short-term thinking.
by Compound F on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:41:11 PM PDT
His frame in this diary sucked.
And if that is the point it sort of got lost there.
There is no there there.
by Armando on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:54:39 PM PDT
especially on a hectic night, most make up their mind ... I was trying to decide how outraged I'd be before I read through enough to see that I, in the main, find this worthwhile as a discussion ...
The clock keeps ticking ... Osama bin Forgotten
by besieged by bush on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:24:14 PM PDT
What are we discussi ng?
by Armando on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:25:52 PM PDT
Did I miss something. I still have no idea what the diarist and others on here are for.
Did I not get the joke?
I supported John Edwards in 2008 and it made me proud every day
by BWasikIUgrad on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:39:49 PM PDT
I viewed this in the context of a reinforcing of ThereIsNoSpoon (although not nearly as well written) and others about emphasizing that we should be speaking "occupation" rather than allowing the meme/frame of "Iraq War" ...
Did I love this framing? No, absolutely not. Do I agree with you that it is (somewhat) confused? Absolutely. Do I think this matches ThereIsNoSpoon's work? No. Do I value another reminder, amid the "loony left" attacks due to Lamont-Lieberman, to avoid enabling the right by letting them choose the battlespace by using their language when debating? Yes.
Re ThereIsNoSpoon see, for example, War? We didn't authorize NO STINKIN' WAR! and, more importantly, How Can You Surrender If There Was Never a War?.
by besieged by bush on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 09:23:28 PM PDT
This occupation/war fixation as to rhetoric is pointless imo.
I disagree with spoon's notion that it matters much.
If that is what this diary is about then I don't think much of the exercise.
by Armando on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 09:42:43 PM PDT
I think we call it a Debacle.
by Armando on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 09:43:13 PM PDT
get people's attention by pissing them off (read: misleading), the second part is the same thing countless other diaries have said - and said better at that.
There is no "war", this is an "occupation", don't let the Republicans "frame the debate", etc..
I don't think we needed to be insulted in the title and the opening paragraphs, just so we could hear the same things we've all been saying for quite a while now.
That's my opinion, at any rate.
Senator McCain, we don't have to twist everything that comes out of a Republican's mouth - you guys come pre-twisted.
by PatsBard on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:39:44 PM PDT
I was / am valuing the reminder ... I guess ...
by besieged by bush on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 09:24:06 PM PDT
The first part simply is inconsistent with the second part.
I hope you can take criticism because there is a lot to criticize in your diary.
What does the first part have to do with the second?
How does you r presecription address the first part?
Do you see how there is a complete disconnect between the two?
by Armando on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 08:25:30 PM PDT
It's a diary, not a dissertation. It's touching that you're concerned for my fragile ego and mental state--but the fact that you've now spammed my diary with about ten sour-grapes critiques to cover for your initial misread has me worried about yours. So "framing" is pointless, irrelevant old news to you, not worth discussing? Fine--don't read about it, don't write about it.
There was supposed to be a disconnect between the lead-in/hook and the rest. Sophomoric slurs like "democrat party" are of a piece with terms like "death tax" and "war on terror". My point, which you've so amply demonstrated, is that we very often react vehemently to the one yet adopt the other unthinkingly, and to our detriment. Yes, it's a simple argument. Most political messages are.
If the "occupation" meme, the idea that our troops long ago accomplished what they were asked to do--and in fact have achieved 'victory' over 3 years ago--is all so bloody obvious that it's taken over Democratic discourse, I guess I've missed it. Why not take Bush's infamous "Mission Accomplished", the Purple Finger Pageant, and all the rest at face value, and make Republicans defend the ongoing clusterfuck? AKA, declare victory and go home?
In any event, I'm sorry my diary was not up to the high standard of writing exemplified in your commentary and personal attacks here. You're free to dismiss it as banal and repetitive, and indeed you have done so...over and over.
by turbonium on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 10:27:04 PM PDT
I see you don't take criticism well.
Carry on.
by Armando on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 11:33:38 PM PDT
So far your "criticism" has consisted of an invitation to "get the fuck out", a Fristian diagnosis of schizoid personality, and assertions that my diary obviously "sucked" because you failed to understand it at first, but it's just as well because my point isn't worth making anyhow. (Does this approach work well for you in court, or are your grace and charm simply hereditary?)
You did eventually get round to saying you didn't like my transition, apparently because it didn't have neon < /snark > tags to clarify where the parody ended. I answered your "disconnect" question above, and Irfo and lombard also did a good job summarizing the thesis.
So I don't know what's left to address. And if the topic isn't even worth dicussing, then I don't understand what you're still doing in my comment thread. If you've nothing of substance to add, you're certainly free to take the first bit of half-cocked advice you gave me.
by turbonium on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 02:02:54 AM PDT
wide narrow
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