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  •  Roe already has this line (3+ / 0-)
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    It is essentially the third trimester, when states may and do ban abortions.  

    I am concerned about even considering this as most, if not all, abortions that occur after 6 months are done either for the health/life or the mother, or because the fetus is either already dead in utero or it has some defect that would prevent it from surviving more than a day or two -- such as when the brain develops outside the skull.  

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    by flo58 on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 09:06:05 PM PDT

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    •  didn't (0+ / 0-)

      I think it was casey...whichever one came after roe, didn't it change it, essentially, to viability?

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      by FleetAdmiralJ on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 09:09:21 PM PDT

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      •  Either way (3+ / 0-)
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        you are arguing for the standard that already exists.

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        by flo58 on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 09:10:40 PM PDT

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        •  right (0+ / 0-)

          it was just my impression that some people felt like that abortion at any time, even up until birth, should be legal or any reason, and I was stating my disagreement with that

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          by FleetAdmiralJ on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 09:13:10 PM PDT

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          •  imo that is a straw man (2+ / 0-)
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            If a child can live outside the womb, let it.  That is a pretty easy solution and I can't imagine anyone saying -- after carrying a child for 38 weeks -- now I want an abortion.  

            By raising the argument, you suggest that there are people who seriously argue for such a position.  I don't believe any serious person would make such an argument.  

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            by flo58 on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 09:18:24 PM PDT

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          •  Mary Scott (5+ / 0-)

            did a diary a few months back on the rarity of post-viability abortions. Despite what the Right says, they are few and far between, and are done to end a pregnancy that threatens the life of the mother or has a fetus which will not survive outside the uterus--and sometimes both.  The women who have these abortions do so with sorrow, because in most case they end a pregnancy that was very much desired.

            In other words, despite what prolifers claim, women don't wake up 6-7 months into a pregnancy, and decide, "I don't like being fat for 2 or 3 more months so I'll abort."

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            In fact , most abortions are done by the end of the first trimester.  88%  in fact.  Another 6% are done between 13-15 weeks.  

             Almost half of the women having abortions beyond 15 weeks of gestation say they were delayed because of problems in affording, finding or getting to abortion services.[27]

            Teens are more likely than older women to delay having an abortion until after 15 weeks of pregnancy, when medical risks associated with abortion increase significantly.[28]

            http://www.guttmacher.org/...

            Want to end those few late term abortions after the first trimester? Contribute to a fund to help poor women and girls afford abortion.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 09:30:34 PM PDT

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          •  GRRRRRRRRRR (4+ / 0-)
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            lirtydies, snakelass, flo58, sassy texan

            Of course abortion should be legal up to birth, if a woman's life is at risk what are you gonna do, just let her die?

            Late-term abortions happen in this country when a woman's life is in danger and only then. If the physicians can save the fetus, then they do but they do not put the woman's life at risk to do it. You disagree with that?

            You might like it in El Salvador where they force women with ectopic pregnancies in hospitals to keep it until right before it ruptures her organ (whichever one the fetus has mistakenly attached to) and kills her. They keep the women in the hospitals by force until that "window of time" when they can't detect a fetal heartbeat and the woman dies from her organ bursting when it is legal to save the woman's life.

            BTW, an ectopic pregnancy is not viable.

            Let your conscience be your guide.

            by Jiminy Cricket on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 10:47:05 PM PDT

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