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  •  absolutely excellent! (2+ / 0-)

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    eeff, spiraltn

    i'm now off to read your links - esp. your diary on the subsistence perspective. i can't believe i missed it.

    James Inhofe (R - Exxon): The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the people of Oklahoma. - Eiron

    by cookiebear on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 04:05:10 PM PDT

    •  thanks for the kudos (nmi) (2+ / 0-)

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      "The freeway's concrete way won't show/ you where to run or how to go" -- Jorma Kaukonen

      by Cassiodorus on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 04:09:15 PM PDT

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      •  Jeez ... (2+ / 0-)

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        I thought I was the one getting the kudos ...

        :-)

        Thanks ...

        And, a thought from a comment that I posted in Darksyde's item earlier today ...

        Is it time to move back to the question of what we -- as progressives -- should be working for?  Is it time to be seriously figuring out what the Democratic Party should be working on in terms of energy/environment?  To be looking at and pressuring candidates?  Should Global Warming (and sustainable energy) be the centerpiece of the Congress and the 2008 election?

        And, isn't it about time that we got on with Energizing America?

        What do you think?

        •  Reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 50% (0+ / 0-)

          Will not happen amongst any sort of security-of-basic-needs without a drastic transformation of the whole economic system.  (The other option, of course, is a traumatic economic depression -- you could accomplish it by shutting down the US economy.  I hear that death by starvation is painful.)  You are, whether you want to say it outright or not, proposing something quite radical.  Good!

          "The freeway's concrete way won't show/ you where to run or how to go" -- Jorma Kaukonen

          by Cassiodorus on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 07:57:02 PM PDT

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        •  Sure. And it's time to build frames, coin slogans (0+ / 0-)

          it's time to be putting together the frame, sharpening the overall vision with energy/climate's place in it.
          Traditionally, this theme has been disjointed and marginal in political priorities, seen as a collection of lesser, separate claims, conflicting and arguable. In that confusion, it doesn't easily win over political insiders.

          However, in the general public, this theme is now gaining recognition and priority at a prodigious rate, month by month (thanks in no small measure to Al Gore who's "outside politics").
          This is happening late, to be sure, considering that it's an ongoing problem that can only get worse over the generations. Also, its gaining ground throughout the ideological spectrum (as we're used to understanding it). So the MSM, having publicitized it first as a he-said/she-said, has begun to treat findings as an acceptable "news" theme, even cool. It's crossing over all kinds of  divides.
          Conclusion: at this point there's a lot to be gained with politicos by providing them with elements of a focused overall vision/frame in which [fill in slogan] has an organic role.

          ecological security?
          protecting life for the generations to come?
          plantetary life support?  :)

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