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I'm doing this on the fly... so if you're watching and have a different recollection of what Shuster said, please, by all means, correct me.
"The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel
by Newsie8200 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:50:19 AM PDT
is shocking
Military & Veterans: Politics for the deserving aka Mike Bailey
by testvet6778 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:51:42 AM PDT
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by Newsie8200 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:52:49 AM PDT
Prosecutor says Libby destroyed Cheney memo
Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson
by bumblebums on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:03:11 AM PDT
Libby's defense's opening statement is on the home page. Fitz's is here:
http://www.firedoglake.com/...
Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies
by madgranny on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:36:47 AM PDT
Ted Wells' opening statement on behalf of Libby -- THEY ARE THROWING KARL ROVE UNDER THE BUS.
Poor Scooter, sacrificial lamb for Karl Rove.
Hee.
"Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?
by litigatormom on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:44:51 AM PDT
God bless us all Everyone!
Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.
by MadAsHellMaddie on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:00:03 AM PDT
Is this how you throw Rove under a bus?
Libby went to Cheney in 2003 and complained that the White House was subtly blaming him for leaking Plame’s identity to columnist Robert Novak. "They’re trying to set me up. They want me to be the sacrificial lamb. I will not be sacrificed so Karl Rove can be protected."
Libby went to Cheney in 2003 and complained that the White House was subtly blaming him for leaking Plame’s identity to columnist Robert Novak.
"They’re trying to set me up. They want me to be the sacrificial lamb. I will not be sacrificed so Karl Rove can be protected."
Meanwhile, MetroBus offical are busy installing Rove-plows on the front of all buses that service the downtown DC area.
The Place of Dead Roads "The City of Louisiana has dodged the bullet with Hurricane Corrina."
by Dr Benway on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:09:18 AM PDT
"Meanwhile, MetroBus offical are busy installing Rove-plows on the front of all buses that service the downtown DC area."
They won't help. Experienced hoboes knew the technique to "grease the wheels," which meant throwing someone off the train so he landed under the wheels. This was the treatment handed out to crooks and card-sharks when they were discovered in your boxcar.
Given that this crew is as vicious as any group of tramps, I'm sure they know the technique and will obviate the need for Rove-catchers.
Now, when it comes to Cheney ...
Ed
I do not belong to an organized political party -- I'm a Democrat. [Will Rogers]
by Ed Drone on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:27:55 AM PDT
[baflupadabumpbump]!
Bye Karl!
I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud
by labradog on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:11:46 AM PDT
Well, I guess it is shocking, as in "shocks the conscience." Alas, it is not surprising.
by litigatormom on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:11:10 AM PDT
who did it and why. It's that it's finally seeing the light of day. Whod'a thunk it?
by madgranny on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:34:42 AM PDT
They are now eating each other....!
We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.
by Eyes Wide Open on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:49:49 AM PDT
The cat who swallowed the canary when Fitz let him off?
Is Fitz "owned" by the Bush gang? Why wasn't Rove brought up on charges, and why wasn't Cheney?
by Eyes Wide Open on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:13:07 PM PDT
but that he could be recalled.
Check news sources.
An untypical Negro...since 1954.
by blksista on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:59:48 PM PDT
To watch Chris Matthews have a blast today; he has been waiting to nail "Chinny", as he continues to call him. Hooray, Fitz. Finally
"I'm not going to be your monkey", Jon Stewart
by gabie on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:53:57 AM PDT
by Newsie8200 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:00:40 AM PDT
I may even to watch it for that.
-6.5, -7.59. Dump Harry Reid. Put in someone who can rid us of Holy Joe Lieberman.
by DrWolfy on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:01:44 AM PDT
Chris can be a shrilly weasel on his own, but Olbermann seems to add some sort of moderating energy to the equation when they are talking together.
by My Philosophy on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:10:34 AM PDT
David Shuster's segments are like a laser beam of damning facts. It's worth watching the schizophrenic Matthews just to see the Shuster segments. Shuster has been like a fly on shit with the Libby case.
Investigate War Lies --> Evidence for Senate Conviction --> End the War. Got it?
by bejammin075 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:06:08 AM PDT
for those of us living without cable.
Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!
by barbwires on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:12:11 AM PDT
by amsterdam on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:15:09 AM PDT
Libby wasn't the one pushing reporters to do a story. Karl Rove was. Karl Rove was the life blood of the Republican Party. He had to be protected. Libby had a very important top secret job but not as important as Karl Rove. Libby wasn't the one responsible for the 16 words being in the SOTU. Libby wasn't the one being thrown in the meatgrinder to deal with the incompetence of others (this last is from a Cheney memo, supposedly).
by litigatormom on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:47:58 AM PDT
Am I right to conclude Libby is not expecting to be pardoned?
by amsterdam on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:52:12 AM PDT
Especially if President Pelosi has anything to say about it.
[slaps self]
Okay, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's just luxuriate in the sheer pleasure that this trial is going to be.
by litigatormom on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:55:28 AM PDT
if Bush and Cheney shuffle off, she would give Hillary a run for her money.
by blksista on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:02:44 AM PDT
I say Valentines day.
by JohnB47 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:18:34 AM PDT
She only moves up if something happens to both POTUS and VP at the same time.
A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.
by Webster on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:39:01 AM PDT
Bush picking Pelosi for VP. But I do wonder who he would pick? Certainly someone like Frist would be rejected by the majority of the house, right? So who's slimy enough for bush, yet still would be passed by the majority of both Houses of Congress?
by HugoDog on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:45:34 AM PDT
After all, his supprt is now limited to McCain, Laura, and Barney.
We the People ordained our Government to promote our General Welfare; If We the People want Health Care for All, Government should provide it.
by Jimdotz on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:01:00 AM PDT
-8.38, -7.49
by papercut on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:33:39 AM PDT
Jeb-thro.
by Casper46 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:47:05 PM PDT
He's out of a job.
Winning without Delay.
by ljm on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 01:54:20 PM PDT
And it's highly unlikely that Pelosi could become president. If Cheney were removed, Bush would nominate a replacement to be confirmed by BOTH houses of congress, just as Nixon nominated Ford and Ford nominated Rockefeller.
In order for Pelosi to become President, Cheney would have to be removed and then Bush. But the Congress would have to stall on confirming whoever Bush appointed as Cheney's replacement and that's not likely. The whole process from nomination to swearing in for Ford and Rockefeller was only a matter of weeks (I think). Delaying confirmation for a VP nominee is a stunt the rethugs would pull--I really can't see the Dems doing it.
My best-case scenario if Cheney goes would be if Bush appointed former Sen. John Danforth--he's the closest thing the rethugs have to a moderate statesman. Too bad Bush can't stand him.
"Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."
by homogenius on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:45:45 AM PDT
But it will probably be Condoleeza.
Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? - Mary Oliver, "The Summer Day"
by Rico on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:21:43 AM PDT
president.
It needs the modern republican movement broken into gravel on a prison rock pile.
If we have to have a replacement Republican then it must be a thoroughly chastened and containable one.
We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"
by Gooserock on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:26:00 AM PDT
of the other, in exchange for some amount of immunity from prosecution.
That way the speaker is not formally executing a coup.
But it's probably the surest and may be the safest way to tarnish all the Bush over-reaches without spending a century challening them individually to the George W Bush Memorial Supreme Court.
by Gooserock on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:23:10 AM PDT
by drmah on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 01:28:36 PM PDT
Bush team: Quick prepare the Abu Gonzales defense.
The constitution does not specifically say what "treason" means.
haa haa..
Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)
by fugue on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:05:27 AM PDT
'The constitution does not specifically say what "treason" means.'
Are you kidding? Giving aid and comfort to our enemies, cleaving to them.... I can't recall the exact words, but it's written right there.
Now, if you mean, "what constitutes 'aid and comfort,' or 'how do you define an enemy?'" then, yes, there's some wiggle-room there. It's this crew's only hope, that 'wiggle-room.'
by Ed Drone on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:32:48 AM PDT
somebody give the man a blow job!
by HugoDog on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:46:27 AM PDT
with Bush poll so low, he can't afford pardoning Libby without losing further support. Probably 5%.
by fugue on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:57:06 AM PDT
possible Fitz comment about "destroying" the note. Says it's hard tell if Fitz meant something else when he mentions "wipe it out'--referring to the note. shuster also mentions that Libby isn't charged with obstruction regarding any note.
The White House will be The People's House--B.Obama
by Phil S 33 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:07:19 AM PDT
only half way off the deep end?
by antoniomachado on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:17:30 AM PDT
Did he only mean "wipe it out" from his overburdened memory?
But still, whether he withheld it, destroyed it, or simply failed to mention it, it really puts the kabosh on his "I was too busy to remember" defense.
by litigatormom on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:18:30 AM PDT
They're going to take each other down!
by modchick65 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:15:03 AM PDT
Karl Rove loves the meatgrinder. Karl Rove is the meatgrinder. Wonder why Fitz made the deal with Rove's lawyer not to prosecute him for the leak?
by ljm on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 01:53:30 PM PDT
can;t wiat for it rofl
by testvet6778 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:01:52 AM PDT
...deer in headlights because of something KO said. Ya know, that Scarborough look after a special comment.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
by bobinson on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:12:59 AM PDT
But when he does say something, it will be, "...and now they want to take us to Iran!"
by hornrimsylvia on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:00:59 AM PDT
Mad Wombat
by FleetAdmiralJ on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:02:10 AM PDT
and I take it back, I AM shocked. Shocked by the stupidity, as well as the immorality. According to Fitz, Libby destroyed a Cheney memo on the subject just days before his first FBI interview, and then claimed that he'd first learned of Plame's identity from Tim Russert.
This is exactly how Martha Stewart wound up in the slammer. She claimed she didn't remember what her broker had told her, but it turned out she had attempted to alter her phone logs just a day or two before she was interviewed by federal investigators.
Scooter is going to the Big House.
by litigatormom on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:17:28 AM PDT
only until Bush issues a complete pardon on his last day in office.
The country we carry in our hearts is waiting. -- Bruce Springsteen
by saucy monkey on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:23:33 AM PDT
may be there with him. Think Nancy will issue pardons?
OK, I can dream can't I?
When "stupidity" suffices, why search for any other reason?
by wozzle on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:31:02 AM PDT
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world" Mohandas Gandhi
by baracon on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:33:50 AM PDT
I've heard that "CHEE-nee" is the correct pronunciation of the Veep's last name, the one used in Wyoming.
"CHAY-nee" is a DC invention (and IMO, an improvement).
No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.
by oldjohnbrown on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:56:37 AM PDT
by labradog on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:23:21 AM PDT
I thought the correct pronounciation was 'ASS-hole'
by mmacdDE on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:24:55 PM PDT
If the chimp get impeached. He can't pardon libby, becuase it's part of his impeachment.
by fugue on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:58:41 AM PDT
is throwing Rove and by implication Bush under the bus. I doubt that this would be the route they would have chosen if Libby expects a pardon.
by amsterdam on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:13:43 AM PDT
From the msnbc.com story on this:
Fitzgerald also alleged that Libby in September 2003 "wiped out" a Cheney note just before Libby's first FBI interview when he said he learned about Wilson and his wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, from reporters, not the vice president. It was not clear if Fitzgerald meant that an attempt was made to destroy the note or that Libby had forgotten about it. In any case, the note was recovered and is part of the evidence.
Fitzgerald also alleged that Libby in September 2003 "wiped out" a Cheney note just before Libby's first FBI interview when he said he learned about Wilson and his wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, from reporters, not the vice president.
It was not clear if Fitzgerald meant that an attempt was made to destroy the note or that Libby had forgotten about it. In any case, the note was recovered and is part of the evidence.
by litigatormom on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:22:03 AM PDT
he deleted it. My bet is that it was an email, Libby deleted it, which would mean that the initial send date AND the delete date were there.
Bet they're using Outlook - you can delete stuff in Outlook, and it still hangs around for a while.
Sometimes a LONG while, if you don't know what you're doing. And my take is that this WH isn't the most computer literate in the world.
by mmacdDE on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:27:22 PM PDT
... because I've got concert tickets to see Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. I do see the irony!
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? T Jefferson
by TheCorkBoard on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:10:03 AM PDT
The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. Luke 12:23
by 99 Percent Pure on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:46:17 AM PDT
how unfortunate.
fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!
by seesdifferent on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:56:12 AM PDT
To sit in the VP's seat? Next to Nancy, HA HA!! Maybe he will be the one missing cabinet member, he just caught a terrible cold??
by gabie on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:12:14 AM PDT
to get re-animated - again.
Hope springs eternal.
by hoody on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:14:48 AM PDT
Go....Hunting.....!
by jeau bleau on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:30:26 AM PDT
..have a fake heart attack now.
Come on Cheney, when are you going to do yet another fake heart attack?
by fugue on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:22:32 AM PDT
speech Fitzgerald and his boys show to slap the cuffs on Cheney and take him away....
In John McCain we have the opportunity to experience Bush's Third Term.
by Sam I Am on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:04:59 AM PDT
Dick goes hunting, just as he did on Tuesday, November 6, 2006....
BAM!
by 99 Percent Pure on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:51:15 AM PDT
by 99 Percent Pure on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 01:58:42 PM PDT
can sneak a reference to this into his response.
by barbwires on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:14:01 AM PDT
That would be good.
by nicejoest on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:32:58 AM PDT
I got a link yesterday - here: http://www.democrats.org/...
by MadAsHellMaddie on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:06:29 AM PDT
Doesn't it seem to you that Bush & Cheney have pissed off the wrong people and they are now singing like parakeets.
I am loving every second of it.
Can Cheney be impeached and convicted over this in Congress?
by Eyes Wide Open on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:47:45 AM PDT
a question of political will, or if he resigns fast enough a la Spiro Agnew.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
by Wee Mama on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:00:21 AM PDT
Actually, even if he is impeached, as long as he resigns before the verdict is pronounced in the Senate, he gets off with his pension and benes intact. But if he's impeached and convicted, he loses all benes from federal gov't service (Congress, SecDef, WH Chief of Staff, VP).
by homogenius on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:50:29 AM PDT
...Speaker Of The House! Oh well..one step closer to prez...still over 22 months to go.
Our children are not born to hate, they are raised to hate. ~Thomas della Peruta
by suspiciousmind on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:05:14 AM PDT
Pelosi would not inherit the VP job.
by homogenius on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:15:58 AM PDT
...as he is now....I've been sayin...he'll never go the distance (full term)....she's one step closer.
by suspiciousmind on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:36:43 PM PDT
Found it terribly interesting that McCain felt it necessary to roundly criticize Cheney.
Although McCain had once lavished praise on the vice president, he said in an interview in his Senate office: "The president listened too much to the Vice President . . . Of course, the president bears the ultimate responsibility, but he was very badly served by both the Vice President and, most of all, the Secretary of Defense."
Story here.
Interesting timing. Provide cover for Bush just before Cheney gets outted for being up to his neck in the shit.
Popcorn, anyone?
Damn, I love karma.
News Pundits - The Dopplerless weathermen of our time. Jon Stewart
by mentaldebris on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:39:30 AM PDT
Dudehisattva...
by Dood Abides on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:43:03 AM PDT
WALTER: WELL THEY CAN FUCKING UN-POST IT!
by seesdifferent on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:49:07 PM PDT
Let's get this to the top of the list, people. This needs to be recommended.
"But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4130+ dead Americans. Bring them home.
by Miss Blue on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:59:46 AM PDT
and Novakula of course. Ari Fleischer too.
"As the Soviet Union disappeared, the Zionist regime will also vanish and humanity will be liberated". - what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad really said.
by Toothpick Vic on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:05:33 AM PDT
It's been so long, I'm afraid to ask for more than a Fitzmas success on this specific case.
Not that I wouldn't really really like more . . . such as the example you cited.
July 9, 2008 -- I watched helplessly while Congress destroyed my Constitution. R.I.P.
by bleeding heart on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:16:13 AM PDT
by Toothpick Vic on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:34:57 AM PDT
who got a visit from the Secret Service the other day for concluding a letter with "I think they hanged the wrong guy"? It was diaried here. Your wording rubbed me the wrong way, and seems like the kind of thing that can get you (and the site) in trouble.
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by monkeybiz on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 09:43:15 AM PDT
Keep up the censorship though and they won't have to shut it down because there won't be anyone left here.
by Toothpick Vic on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:10:29 AM PDT
Completely, and totally. You should be troll-rated for your abuse, one of the most egregious and lamest examples I have seen on dKos since it started.
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by Hornito on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:16:29 AM PDT
