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As is the fact that I was divorcing when diagnosed, covered at the time by my now ex-husband's insurance, working for a small non-profit myself that did not offer insurance at the time: and was strongly advised by everyone from the hospital's financial counselors to my own attorney to give up every asset to the ex, take on all joint financial obligations, and never, ever, consider going to work for an employer who offers insurance: because the bean-counters would soon discover the burden to the company in "surcharges" and "adjustments" would far outweigh my worth as an employee - so they would find "cause" to fire me.
Two or three of those experiences and you are not just uninsurable, you are also unemployable.
Sort of the perfect storm of health-care-system irony.
by Downtowner on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 06:15:03 AM PDT
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found myself in the same boat. It's easy to blame HR departments for this, but my late father, who worked in upper management, assured me it wasn't their fault--it came from the very top.
BTW, congrats for beating leukemia. That's some feat!
People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election. --Otto von Bismarck
by Ice Blue on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 06:56:05 AM PDT
My ex actually worked for a municipality (he's a cop) and their underwriter slapped a million dollar surcharge on their policy - over me - so they tried to find another underwriter and got an entire series of "no bid until she drops off the cobra" responses from virtually every big, medium and little name in insurance.
So, yeah, I know what you mean, hard to justify I am worth an extra million a year to an employer on top of my salary and other benefits. I blame the whole screwed-up system.
Thanks, and actually, I had such an easy course of treatment and recovery my kids (two in high school, two in middle school and all terrified at the time) go around now telling people they think I "faked" leukemia for the vacation from them in a clean room. I had extraordinarily good doctors, nurses, treatment, care, etc at a top-notch teaching hospital.
I got lucky, though, and I know it. Not everyone is so fortunate in the level of expertise and care they receive. I know the first oncologist/hematologist I saw threatened to sue my insurer to get me into that particular hospital. According to him - at least at that time - leukemia survival rates are 50% higher in teaching hospitals than even in major medical centers - such as my insurer first wanted me to check into.
Good for you recovering from that stroke. Perhaps we will both have access one day - until then, lets just hope we both stay healthy. I honestly think that is the only real way to beat the current system!
by Downtowner on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:18:10 AM PDT
If you work at a small to medium-sized company it's easy for the health insurance system to make pariahs out of your ill co-workers and their families. Where I work, it's common knowledge that two individuals (out of 250) have wreaked havoc on our insurance over the past few years. One had a brain aneurysm, and survived. Another's wife had premature twins; she was hospitalized for 6 weeks, and the twins for 8 weeks after they were born. (They are all perfectly healthy now.) The father of the twins works for another firm now, but I know him pretty well and was told that care for his family was billed at well over $1,000,000.
To give you an idea of the upshot of this: At one point there was only one insurer in the state willing to even quote us a rate. Another time, we had to shop for a new insurer because the existing one was going to increase our premium by 40%, just to renew our policy for one year. We used to be able to get 3-year contracts, but no one will sell us those anymore. The insurers want it year-to-year so they can keep their options open.
To my employer's great credit, they have not been tempted by any of the perverse incentives to cut loose the ill employees. Nor do you hear anyone grousing about it. I think everyone hopes that we'll get the same treatment if and when our time comes.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Joe Bob on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:55:55 AM PDT
its weaker members, and do the "killing" themselves!
Not literally, you understand. Just "Murder by Spreadsheet", brought to you by your friendly insurance company.
But hey, their hands are clean! Look, they just washed them! snark.
Remember Nataline.
by means are the ends on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:20:05 AM PDT
back before Reagan and "health care for corporate profit" (debut HMOs), Blue Cross/Blue Shield non-profit organizations and non-profit hospitals provided good care and insurance for nearly everyone. The ultra rich could buy their gold-plated insurance, but BCBS covered most others and it was affordable.
Then, the "Reagan Revolution" (attack the poor, afflict the afflicted, comfort and enrich the wealthy) took place. Enter HMOs who told corporations they could insure employees for a fraction of the BCBS cost. Supposedly, for-profit corporate insurance was "more efficient" than te non-profits. Boom!
Every corporation ran into the open arms of private, for profit, insurance companies. BCBS began to collapse, be sold off, converted to profit, etc.
What was the hidden secret? Yes, HMOs could insure EMPLOYEEs very cheaply, but that's because they were employees. The very fact that the people were working was self-selecting: the population base of company employees was also the most healthy population base.
What was left out of that base? Children, unemployed, elderly, the infirm. And those are the high medical cost populations.
So, corporations got cheap health rates (for a few years) while everyone else was thrown into the gutter.
Remember that everytime you hear the name "Reagan." That single concept will explain his entire legacy: Corporate Profits over concern for the weak, poor, young and elderly. And it repeats and repeats in every issue you can raise about Reagan, for example:
Iran/Contra: deny elected socialists government office in Central America to insure corporate profits for US multinational companies. Since Congress outlawed direct aid to the CIA-backed Contras, sell arms to Iran (enriching corrupt Republican companies) to obtain cash for Contras. Prop up corrupt military dictatorships for the same reason.
by YucatanMan on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:36:58 AM PDT
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