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  •  For some of them... (5+ / 0-)

    ...I don't think it'll be enough until we all live on communes devoid of modern technology. They want us to be the modern-day Amish.

    •  Bring back the Luddites. (0+ / 0-)

      PLEASE...can we please stop the destruction of our home?  But to do so, we need to be smart. We're already faced with the combined might of the corporate machine and their minions in the media. Do we have to do their work for them by discrediting the environmental movement?

      "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

      by homogenius on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 05:28:18 PM PDT

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    •  A few days ago we had a diary (2+ / 0-)

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      and a comment that suggested a rather Amish approach. I've been thinking about it. Although it may be admirable for a few individuals to commit themselves to this lifestyle the average person just throws up their hands and says "No way! Those people are too crazy for me." The average individual, average business owner etc. are the ones who have to be convinced in numbers to make a difference.

      In winter, turn thermostat down to 60

      [new] In winter, turn thermostat down to 60 degrees (5+ / 0-)
      One of you suggested turning the thermostat down to 68 degrees in winter.  Before I was Peak Oil Aware and before I saw An Inconvenient Truth, I kept the thermostat at 67 degrees all winter long.  Last year, I kept the thermostat at 63 degrees all year long.  This fall and winter, I have been gradually lowering the thermostat and now have it down to 60 degrees.  I also have also improved energy efficiency by putting rope caulking in the cracks around the windows and installing plastic insulation.  Since the house I live in has drafty METAL framed windows, it doesn't take much to make a substantial improvement.
      I find it MUCH easier to cut back on heating than air conditioning.  Before I was Peak Oil Aware and before I saw An Inconvenient Truth, I set the thermostat to maintain an indoor temperature of 79 degrees in summer.  I still keep the indoor temperature at 79 degrees in summer.  I find indoor temperatures in the 80s to be oppressive, and there's no quick solution.  At least I can easily deal with the cold in winter by wearing more clothing.  There is no similar quick solution for dealing with the heat.

      •  I have a programmable thermostat (3+ / 0-)

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        that turns the heat down to 60 overnight and during the middle of the day, when no one is home, but I think few people would want to live in a 60 degree house all the time.
      •  Well, this is a personal tolerance matter (3+ / 0-)

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        Quite honestly, I would come home and crawl under a pile of quilts on my sofa and never get anything done for four or five months if I turned my thermostat down to an utterly inhumane 60 degrees, or even for that matter, 68. I think this is equivalent to torture.

        On the other hand, air conditioning set at 79? Why on earth do you need air conditioning AT ALL unless you live in a place like Houston or Phoenix. I live in Cleveland, ohio and I'm fine with anything in the 80s -- I live in a nicely ventilated old house -- and even in the 90s if it's not more than a week or two, which it rarely is. I have a room air conditioner and it's been sitting on the porch for six years. I've just never installed it.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

        by anastasia p on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 07:51:21 PM PDT

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        •  I'm like you. (2+ / 0-)

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          I can't stand the cold. I'd never be able to move. On the other hand, I live in Florida and have my windows and doors open in the summertime quite often. I'm lucky my house has good shade and cross ventilation. Still, most people can't believe I can tolerate a good part of the Florida summer without a/c. I figure it balances out.

          Don't trust any UID over [insert current highest number here].

          by pattyp on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 09:00:41 PM PDT

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