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woman for your hit piece?
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by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:24:07 PM PDT
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It's a slow night on DKos when diarists have to resort to resurrecting the dead in a lame attempt at hit pieces against progressive Dems.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow." -- Albert Einstein
by KnowVox on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:27:24 PM PDT
knows how to quote writers that have deceased?
Let me break the news to the universities and all of academia that there's this odd thing going on at dailykos called "resurrecting the dead" better known as quoting folks.--I bet they never do that in the universities, either.
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:30:18 PM PDT
An extremely long list of endorsers of Hillary Clinton among the living...
http://www.dailykos.com/...
Check it out!
by KnowVox on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:34:15 PM PDT
back to reality, but then again......
It does not take many words to tell the truth. - Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:17:44 PM PDT
is generally not considered 'using' (check out most of academia for the general rules on quoting dead people)
Using their actual words is not considered a problem especially when you use them in context to make the exact same point they were trying to make.
Distorting that effort, however, is a sign of true assholery.
I betcha Molly would love this diary--because it quotes her exactly. Word. For. Word.
and I betcha she'd think you're a dopey ass punk for trying to shut it down.
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:27:57 PM PDT
and I have the parchment hanging on the wall that says PhD and all.
Trust me...I know the difference between the academic practice of quoting and the construction of a strawman argument.
Your title starts it out with:
Molly Ivins: Not. backing. Hillary.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:32:16 PM PDT
you might want to use your brain cells, to actually, you know, read.
That title is borrowed from the EXACT title she used and approved when the essay originally came out. Check the link above genuis.
And don't throw your fucking Phd around. It's obviously as useful as tiolet paper.
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:35:45 PM PDT
For this:
Totally uncalled for.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:37:27 PM PDT
If you're going to flaunt something in someone's face, you make it fair game.
by voltayre on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:44:56 PM PDT
pointed to this:
(check out most of academia for the general rules on quoting dead people)
I brought up my academic background to show that I'm well aware of the "rules."
The toilet paper (misspelled even) was unnecessary and uncalled for. I spent a long long time working on that degree. It ain't toilet paper.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:50:02 PM PDT
see if you can read this.
You say you have a pHD to bolster your argument that I'm ostensibly making a strawman argument.
I note that you are full of shit in accusing me of building a strawman argument because it's from the original. Obviously, your pHD is not especially helpful to your cause, is it?
Reading would help? Having a sympathetic ear or eye, maybe? But not your pHD.
That pHD, in fact, as I noted, was a useful as tiolet paper.
And because I noted this you trollrated the comment. Probably out of embarassment because you knew you were wrong. It's an abuse, of course. And you know it.
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:59:23 PM PDT
I wrote this a while ago...meant it then...mean it now.
Am not embarrassed. You were rude.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:02:45 PM PDT
This whole thing is sad.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:06:20 PM PDT
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:08:05 PM PDT
and name calling. They do no one any good...least of all your own candidate...whoever he is.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:13:13 PM PDT
you for taking off the troll rating...no irony or anything intended.
Ease up. Yeeesh.
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:16:25 PM PDT
and you want me to ease up for asking you to stop with the name calling?
lol
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:19:27 PM PDT
D.M. is clearly one of those Internet equivalents of the nerd who gets behind the wheel of a car and suddenly feels like a tough guy. You think he would say half the things he does here if you were standing before him face to face?
McCain: Running for Hoover's 21st term
by Finck II on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 03:43:58 AM PDT
I don't feel like a tough guy, but I must say, you Hillary Hacks are certainly a bunch of whiners...
Especially when you pile on a diary without one substantial fact at your finger tip.
Not a problem though, I'm sure everyone now associates your 'diary hacks' with Hillary, sufficiently turning them off to the WORST Democratic candidate possible in this race. This is a really good thing.
Keep up the great work!
by DelicateMonster on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 05:39:38 AM PDT
by jay w on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:38:41 PM PDT
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:59:37 PM PDT
I hardly ever use the TR. Generally speaking, I think they are for trolls...and try to use them for such.
But that was both unnecessary and uncalled for in its attack...especially when you're the one who opened the door re: academics and the use of "quotes."
Course I also wondered how you could go from:
but I'd rather pull out my eyes than vote for Hillary
to
I don't hate HRC
so quickly.
As for your title? You couldn't even think up one of your own?
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:43:13 PM PDT
a person can loathe the idea of voting for someone and not hate them.
Or did you miss that in civics class?
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:45:54 PM PDT
Apparently I missed the day where we...oh nevermind.
Honestly...I find these pieces counter-productive.
There was a way that you could've done this diary that would've been more helpful than anything.
This is as disappointing to me as any of the other "hit pieces" against any of the other candidates.
That diary...I would've liked to have seen that diary.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:57:30 PM PDT
in troll rating this personal attack, however I'm going to defer. Everyone should see the type of diarist we're dealing with.
by KnowVox on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:48:29 PM PDT
Apparently your pHd is not especially useful.
(I dropped the 'fucking' so now you have a factual argument, since you introduced your 'bonafides' as an academic, it seems germain to the argument. I think I can safely say if you troll rate this comment as you did my other, your abusing the system. Enjoy.)
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:43:47 PM PDT
what was it?
Oh right...
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:46:31 PM PDT
and your point is?
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:54:42 PM PDT
I know the rules.
I'm not embarrassed. I wasn't wrong.
Your comment was insulting and uncalled for...and it was sad.
This whole "I'll do anything to torpedo a candidate even if it means X" mentality is just plain sad.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:00:38 PM PDT
Yesh, kredwyn, if you were half as intelligent as a pHD would indicate, you'd take the troll rating off.
You know damned well you brought out that fact to bolster all you know about 'academia' then you made an ass of yourself by not even bothering to check through the links in my diary. Furthermore, your initial impetus was simply to hijack the thread--which you did rather sucessfully. Most of the Hillary Hackers work that way, distraction and obfuscation, never refuting the arugments, hell, never even addressing them.
Now you say you're 'sad'. You bet you are.
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:05:18 PM PDT
I'd suggest you go read that diary I linked to elsewhere.
You'd find out that I'm a. not a HRC supporter, b. not a supporter of anyone yet, and c. interested in real dialogue rather than vitriolic dreck.
Frank Luntz and his ilk have done much to damage the political discourse in this country. They've worked really hard to drain the spirit out of language.
And you've bought into it with this "Hillary Hackers" stuff.
by kredwyn on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:11:42 PM PDT
Repeating personal attacks and smears doesn't bolster your case or your candidate.
by KnowVox on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:02:32 PM PDT
KnowVox! I assume you know that famous quote:physician heal thyself?
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:06:07 PM PDT
by Gabriele Droz on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:19:35 PM PDT
Are flipping out of your mind?
by DelicateMonster on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 10:41:25 PM PDT
since that was written that it's no longer applicable!
/snicker
by voltayre on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 07:42:36 PM PDT
The Constitution is still a fine document. When we quote from it, we're quoting dead people.
Be good to each other. It matters.
by AllisonInSeattle on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 12:22:07 AM PDT
We know what they said in that document. We use quotes from that document.
But we don't know what the founders would say about the future. We can't. And when I read the diary, that's what it felt like I was reading--a Molly didn't like HRC then, she won't like her now, and she'd definitely not support her later.
However, if you read other pieces by Molly you'd see that while she wasn't in favor of some candidates in the past (she thought Gore was sanctimonious and voted for Nader), she was incredibly pragmatic when it came to electoral math. In 2000 she recognized that living in TX, she had a luxury progressive voters didn't have--she could cast her GE vote for Nader:
I'm also voting for him because I live in Texas -- where all 32 electoral votes will go to George W. Bush even if I stand on my head, turn blue and vote for Gus Hall, the late communist.
In the primaries, I vote to change the world; in November, I vote for a sliver more for programs that help the needy.
by kredwyn on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 05:38:46 AM PDT
that Clinton can't win.
I would think that influenced what Molly wrote. Or so I thought at the time.
Molly's main point -- this person (Clinton) won't help the majority of Americans, so why bother pretending she would?
by AllisonInSeattle on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 09:33:03 PM PDT
wide narrow
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