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  •  and that explains (1+ / 0-)

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    Rasputin

    why gas prices jumped immediately after katrina but prices now are not going up with the price of oil?

    I'm not buying it.  There is no consistency.   Autumn is also when people turn their heat on.  Shouldn't that increase demand for oil?

    How can crude be 50% higher and the price of gas be the same?   We are told that the market reacts immediately to any crisis but it doesn't react at all to cost of raw materials?  Find me any other industry that can swallow a 50% increase in their raw materials.

    And this statement reeks of manipulation "europe had to send".   What market force made them send the gasoline?    No one waited in line to buy gas in the US.  Who made them send that gas?

    •  also (0+ / 0-)

      the seasonal variation argument doesn't seem to be as strong as many say.  According to this site demand varies from a low of 8.8 million gallons per day to a high of 9.6 MGPD.   And if you look at the chart for production of gasoline it strongly correlates to demand.   Seems like they have no problem meeting demand.  So if production can easily meet demand, why would that change prices?  It wouldn't in any other industry.   The "people use more, so we'll make more and thus charge more" model doesn't usually apply.  

      Just one more thing that doesn't add up.

      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        At current levels of demand - ie about 9.2 million barrels per day - the US needs to import 1 million barrels per day of gasoline/blending components to avoid further falls in inventory, which is already very low.

        At present, refinery utilisation is quite anaemic - and it would take a substantial improvement in that area for US production to substitute for imports ( which would put further downward pressure on crude inventory levels ).

    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

      A few observations:

      If you look at the way that US commercial crude oil inventories have been declining for the past 4 months or so, it's clear that US refiners have been "betting" that the current surge in oil prices is a temporary spike that will reverse in the near term. If you do the comparison on a same-week basis, spot crude prices are 50% higher than the end of October last year, whilst product prices are 25-30% higher; however, if you bear in mind that the oil that is currently being refined is probably $75-80 oil that was purchased 2-6 weeks ago, then the price rises are actually fairly consistent.

      FWIW, I doubt that crude prices will moderate significantly as inventories are likely to post further declines this week and next on the back of weather-related outages in Mexico - and that US gasoline prices are likely to rise some 30-40 cents in the none-too-distant future.

      Given that US refiners had $25-30 crack spreads earlier in the year, they can easily absorb a period of $5 crack spreads if they believe that this will be a temporary - ie less than 90 day - phenomenon.

      •  collusion (0+ / 0-)

        this is the type of statement that i find mind boggling

        Given that US refiners had $25-30 crack spreads earlier in the year, they can easily absorb a period of $5 crack spreads if they believe that this will be a temporary - ie less than 90 day - phenomenon

        You think its perfectly reasonalbe for everyone in the industry to independently agree to eat their profits for 90 days.    This in no way indicates to you any sort of coordinated pricing.  

        I find the willingness to accept this type of statement to be pretty amazing.  

        Of course they can easily absorb any of this.  Exxon makes $10 billion a quarter in profit.   They could give the shit away for the month of December and absorb that.  

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