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if his message would be credited if he wins.
I know his message would be blamed if he lost.
by david mizner on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:14:38 PM PDT
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Although they'd make a token mention of "poverty". They'd throw around a few other key factors like "unions", "lobbyists", and "washington".
I think the article would quickly shift gears to New Hampshire and South Carolina.
It's not a campaign. It's a movement. Will you stand up?
by danthrax on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:16:10 PM PDT
If the weather's bad, we'd hear something like
Edwards' grimly efficient army of union bosses, tree-huggers, and out-of-state class-warriors managed to drag their base out to the caucuses while Clinton and Obama supporters, happy with either of the frontrunners, stayed off the treacherous roads.
If the weather's good, try
Most Democrats, equally happy with either of the front runners, chose to spend the gloriously springlike day outdoors, leaving only Edwards' supporters to be frogmarched to the caucuses by a grimly efficient army of etc etc etc
And if the weather's so-so they'll come up with another lame rationale that has nothing to do with populism. And if they can't stifle the populist message they'll do their damnedest to select, or if necessary arrange, some bit of nastiness at the Edwards victory celebration with supposed-JRE supporters that are clearly crass &/or nasty &/or bloodthirsty &/or smell bad, & every MSM network & Far Wrong screaming head will play the clip of that over&over in the ensuing days to make JRE seem like the leader of a lynch mob, the same way they took Howard Dean's shouting over the crowd & turned it into The Scream.
John Edwards has to know that a win in Iowa will be more like El-Alamein than Midway--not (in Churchill's words) "the beginning of the end, but perhaps the end of the beginning." The craporate wing of the Democratic Party won't give up that easily. It'll be one battle after another, getting worse all the time, all the way through primary season--& probably beyond, when the DLC-riddled DNC proceeds to turn its back on the Presidential ticket in favor of Congressional races where its favored flunkies are running...
May I bow to Necessity not/ To her hirelings (W. S. Merwin)
by Uncle Cosmo on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:36:52 PM PDT
"It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08
by Salo on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:40:44 PM PDT
though it'll hafta squeeze its way past his anus to get there...
by Uncle Cosmo on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:36:55 PM PDT
Edwards could bring about a political realignment like FDR did if he could bring back southern populism without the old racist overtones for the Democratic party.
The corporate media has continually attacked Edwards personally to stop him from spreading his message. An Edwards victory in Iowa would reignite the party and turn the primaries wide open.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:27:26 PM PDT
I will preface what I'm about to say by stating that I firmly believe John Edwards has as strong a chance as any in taking Iowa. His movement, and yes, it is a movement, will grow and expand.
I sometimes look at the other scenarios. I think we know what we'll be getting in Clinton. I wonder how Obama supporters will feel when they realize that their candidate is a complete centrist. Will they continue to look the other way?
I watch Obama very carefully. He pretends to be populist...he gives the illusion of being populist...but none of his actions, nor policies bear this out.
He's okay. But as a populist? He's the Emperor's new clothes.
Obama, folks, is letting us all know who he is. I watch his supporters here on this site come to his rescue time and again with only his speech of 2003 to "prove' that he's the agent for change.
Edwards time and again sets the bar this election cycle. The others spew rhetoric and make adjustments in policy to appear as if they're not being left in the dust. They know in their hearts what is right.
But:
They don't lead. Only one man does. Edwards. And should either Obama or Clinton win this thing, they'll be fooling themselves if they think Populiism is on the back burner.
It's here to stay. America is crying out for it.
by emmabrody on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:56:52 PM PDT
I mean his political genius is that he talks a good game of hope, and he is charismatic, but when you look at his actual record in the Senate since he was elected, it has largely been toeing the status quo line and not taking any courageous stands (unless progressives actually PUSH HIM VERY HARD TO DO SO) on any issues, especially in opposition to Bush.
One can speculate as to the reasons for this. But I think anyone who looks at the facts honestly will acknowledge what I'm talking about.
Full disclosure: Of the three leading Dems, I LUKEWARMLY back Edwards. To tell you the truth, I appreciate the fact that Edwards has positioned himself as a populist in this election and is saying many of the right things . . . but I'm also cynical about ALL politicians, and it's hard for me to trust even him. But, as I said, of the three leading Dems, Edwards is taking the most courageous stands and saying many of the right things.
But let me get to the real point: Populism will never go away in this country. However, one of the functions of the corporate media in this country (in service to its corporate owners and masters) is to MARGINALIZE any true populist politician or position. They did it with Jessie Jackson in 1988 and again in 1992. They did it with right-wing populist Pat Buchanen in 1996. They especially tried to do it with Howard Dean back in '03-04, and when their usual tactics weren't working, they out-and-out committed character assassination upon him . . . and thus succeeded in achieving their ends.
My friends, the corporate media is POWERFUL in this country. And don't kid yourselves: Their function is to serve the agendas of their corporate masters. And part of that agenda is making sure that populism and the "little people" never get near the real positions of power or into places where their interests are taken into account by decision makers.
by LivinginReality on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:27:49 PM PDT
They did it with Jessie Jackson in 1988 and again in 1992.
Just an interesting observation given Jesse's op ed today.
"The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg
by grannyhelen on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:19:26 PM PDT
What op-ed are you talking about, because I'm in the dark about it.
by LivinginReality on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:31:21 PM PDT
Jesse's op-ed today: http://www.suntimes.com/...
Can Democrats get the votes they need simply because they're not Republicans? You might think so in this presidential campaign. African-American and urban votes are critical to any Democratic victory. Bill Clinton won two terms without winning the most white votes. His margin was the overwhelming support of black voters. George Bush learned that lesson; that's why his campaigns spent so much effort suppressing the black vote in key states like Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. His victory margin was the tally of votes suppressed or uncounted. Yet the Democratic candidates -- with the exception of John Edwards, who opened his campaign in New Orleans' Ninth Ward and has made addressing poverty central to his campaign -- have virtually ignored the plight of African Americans in this country. The catastrophic crisis that engulfs the African-American community goes without mention. No urban agenda is given priority. When thousands of African Americans marched in protest in Jena, La., not one candidate showed up.
Can Democrats get the votes they need simply because they're not Republicans? You might think so in this presidential campaign. African-American and urban votes are critical to any Democratic victory. Bill Clinton won two terms without winning the most white votes. His margin was the overwhelming support of black voters. George Bush learned that lesson; that's why his campaigns spent so much effort suppressing the black vote in key states like Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. His victory margin was the tally of votes suppressed or uncounted.
Yet the Democratic candidates -- with the exception of John Edwards, who opened his campaign in New Orleans' Ninth Ward and has made addressing poverty central to his campaign -- have virtually ignored the plight of African Americans in this country. The catastrophic crisis that engulfs the African-American community goes without mention. No urban agenda is given priority. When thousands of African Americans marched in protest in Jena, La., not one candidate showed up.
by grannyhelen on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:12:39 PM PDT
But one should keep in mind that, despite the claims of Mr. Mizner, relatively few economic "corporatists" are "centrist" on social policy.
Indeed, going on history (which I recognize, as a proponent of the "populist south", you probably would rather not), it's the populists that have been staunch conservatives.
The rest of the article has some merit. If Edwards is to win Iowa, he will not become the frontrunner, but he'll easily move into the first tier, and if he manages the media properly has a very good shot at winning the nomination.
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by jxg on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 03:18:07 PM PDT
you expect somebody to take you seriously. Now that's an optimist.
Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.
by dkmich on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 03:42:02 PM PDT
.....the revival of a strong political coalition, the likes of which have not been seen since FDR. A big tent that includes progressives, the Farm-Laborites, peace activists, the environmentalists, small businesses, those with small farms, organized labor, and the politically and economically disenfranchised.
This sounds like a real winner.
by calibpatriot on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:05:56 PM PDT
send a real message to our more moderate Dems. The course that the current Dem leadership has been taking is not only not working, it's only serving to weaken the party. I hope that Iowans realize that Edwards message is not only the right one, but a winning one.
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by sarahlane on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:07:19 PM PDT
For example. Today I went to a rally in Washington Square Park where John Edwards spoke in front of the writers who are on strike. Edwards received a fantastic welcome to a cheering crowd of hundreds -- the loudest welcome of any of the speakers. I received compliments on my "John Edwards for President" sticker from lots of people in the crowd. I stood next to Tina Fey and Seth Meyers of SNL as they cheered as Edwards spoke.
Here's the Newsweek covered the event: http://www.blog.newsweek.com/...
Total mischaracterization of the tone and sentiment of the crowd.
Sad when reporters would rather talk about candidates as being "shiny" than the substance of the message.
by decider06 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:59:07 PM PDT
by Salo on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:07:08 PM PDT
that covering things with a little more accuracy would be nice.
by decider06 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:10:25 PM PDT
by grannyhelen on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:24:58 PM PDT
unionized writers and the presidential candidate who shows up to their strike in solidarity?
Say it ain't so!!
Just jokin' - the NYT was pretty snarky, too.
by grannyhelen on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:22:15 PM PDT
I like what he says, but the man himself has disappointed me.
by chaulkner on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:11:39 PM PDT
or you just want to make unsubstantiated attacks?
by decider06 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:21:28 PM PDT
I don't see Edwards bringing about such a realignment. I see him winning if he's the nominee, easily, but that's all. If I'm wrong, I will be very gladly mistaken have no doubt, but it would be a great surprise to me.
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by bythesea on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 02:37:13 AM PDT
wide narrow
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