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if right wing hate radio wack jobs were doing a number on you like this on the public airwaves?
Anyone who fails to see the historical parallels between Blackwater & the Nazi SS, or the DHS & the Gestapo, needs a serious reality check.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:54:24 AM PDT
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and asking why he and Olberman were fighting. It was a very pleasant e-mail and he couldn't have devised that I even liked Olberman. I got a threatening e-mail from Fox suggesting their security would be watching me. For that split second I was afraid. I got over it but that sort of behavior needs to be challenged. It shouldn't be happening in the US. Fight them Dave if you are able. They have hurt to many people.
"Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."
by Owllwoman on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:07:27 AM PDT
if this stuff is ever litigated, the KOS servers contain plenty of stuff from Dave that could be used to paint an unfortunate picture.
by bugscuffle on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:14:41 AM PDT
from Right Wing Thugs, and to you he is the one who is, "obsessed." And you call him obsessed out of the Goodness of your heart, in order to preserve his legal strategy?
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:30:36 AM PDT
for his predicament as Hannity/Levin are. He repeatedly chooses to escalate and fan the flames. There's nothing to be proud of here.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:45:45 AM PDT
for the rape, nice mentality.
shame on you
I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:51:29 AM PDT
Did you just compare yourself to a rape victim?
Pathetic.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:36 AM PDT
What's really pathetic, is to read this diary and the comments, and then come in with he said he was raped. Now, that's pathetic!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:04:16 AM PDT
proportion, it seems.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:38 AM PDT
But, this is a Diary about confronting the Right-Wing.
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:22:19 AM PDT
The diarist was threatened with physical harm from a major media personality.
If honesty were suddenly introduced into American life, the whole system would collapse - George Carlin
by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:08:57 AM PDT
had he simply said " victim", that would be better. As I do agree with Dave, he is the victim in all of this. It was just the rape victim thing that some of us object to. Other than that, I totally agree with Dave.
The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama
by wishingwell on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:39:02 AM PDT
I was trying to show the mentality and yes there is no comparison between rape and what happened to me.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:44:03 AM PDT
You chose the field of battle and you chose to engage. IIRC, the worst of it was that you spent about ten minutes speaking with some friendly police officers. Victim, huh? Get over yourself.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:54:51 AM PDT
Kinda sorta looks like ratings abuse.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:09:33 AM PDT
Victim, huh? Get over yourself.
That's called an ad hominem attack with nothing of substance to back it up. Sure, he chose to engage - and he was alone, with no camera, no t-shirt, no sign, and stood politely on line - but he never actually got the chance to ask his question before the police were called, which is a draconian solution. He IS a victim in that regard, and I believe he will have his day in court.
As for you, I believe you will have another donut. You're earning them. You're also making it very, very clear what your real agenda is in this forum. Taste some more of your own medicine, netkopp.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:38:53 AM PDT
Taste some more of your own medicine, netkopp.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:43:12 AM PDT
Deal with it.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:36:34 PM PDT
not an attack; uprated.
-8.38, -7.74 lern gud werds and feed the hungry!!!
by condoleaser on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:15:27 AM PDT
You chose to show up at a Hannity event and while there, stalked him with contextually trollish and obnoxious questions. They went overboard by calling the gendarmerie--which gave you the incident you wanted. Since then you have trashed any shot at a civil lawsuit by opening your big fucking mouth (legal term of art) all over the internets.
You are very much the master of your own fate here and you love being the center of attention. Don't further embarrass yourself by crying, "rape".
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:01:06 AM PDT
means you have to be able to handle questions from people who don't agree with you. And asking such questions is about as equivalent to "stalking" as his situation is to rape.
If you don't like draconian metaphor, don't use it.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:05:10 AM PDT
"contextually trollish and obnoxious!" Good go!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:07:31 AM PDT
care to show up and explain why a d0nut is justified.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:18:56 AM PDT
The Art of Karen Wehrstein
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:20:12 AM PDT
Could I ask you which part you considered a PA rather than a legitimate response/interpretation to the diary and diarist?
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:22:48 AM PDT
for the reasonable-minded. I would troll-rate anyone who addressed you in a similar way.
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:26:29 AM PDT
When someone incites others, as in:
I'm asking (admittedly selfishly) that thousands of leftists, progressives, centrists, liberals, and non right wing conservatives show up at Bookends (232 East Ridgewood Avenue) in Ridgewood, New Jersey (about 15 minutes from George Washington Bridge) on Saturday December 1st way before 1 p.m. for an opportunity to observe what the Republican Party's de facto main media propagandist Sean Hannity and his friends and audience are truly like. I am going by myself and perhaps a few other people will either accompany me directly or be there at my request. I'm not going as part of any known group so if other groups show up, they show up on their own volition.
They invite a stronger reaction. I wouldn't mind another d0nut on the above comment to enable TUs to discuss this further. This diarist does not deserve our sympathy.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:33:01 AM PDT
This diarist does not deserve our sympathy.
It's not just up to you.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:36:05 AM PDT
nor need his sympathy
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:39:28 AM PDT
else why write about this here
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:09 AM PDT
in what a bunch of big babies make up the Reich Wing.
Some of us are not interested. These people move on and do something else.
Some of us look an awful lot like concern trolls.
America: It's a good IDEA for a country ...
by Tony Seybert on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 03:05:15 PM PDT
b/c there's nothing to TR
But I do think it's a great idea that when threats are posted about you on a website and you are going to go to a public event, to have people watching or using my word observing.
If you read everything I post I urged nothing but peace.
Although I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be, I'm glad he didn't listen to people like you.
You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:38:56 AM PDT
I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be
You got that right. Even mentioning Dr. King in this context is absurd.
Got passive aggressive? Nope, not biting.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:50 AM PDT
they are having a discussion. this is not a troll.
the irony is they are defending against the "brownshirts" by hiding comments.
OH IRONY!
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by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:56:10 AM PDT
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:58:21 AM PDT
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:03:44 AM PDT
can you leave it up so i can see the full discussion?
really, you should have thicker skin for hiding comments. this is the internets after all
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:59:15 AM PDT
I don't interpret your [Sui Juris] calling my TR'ing ridiculous a personal attack, because it refers to an action of mine, not my worth or qualities as a person.
However you [Sui Juris] called multiple people on this comment thread "clueless," which does refer to their qualities as people, and that's a personal attack.
It's a simple distinction and the one I always use when deciding whether to troll rate.
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:21:18 AM PDT
He doesn't need our sympathy. He needs our support. He has mine.
"Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835
by Ivan on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:18:59 AM PDT
I'm not sure I agree with him 100% of the time, but hell, I don't agree with myself 100% of the time.
But Dave speaks for me. When he challenges these assholes, until and unless he steps over the line or descends to their level or otherwise screws up, I'm behind him.
Give 'em hell, Dave. Just take your posse with you from now on, armed with cameras, recorders and cellphones. And if one of them is an off-duty cop, so much the better. And another lawyer wouldn't hurt, either.
Arise, go forth, and conquer!
"Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:57:14 AM PDT
which most of us disagree. I also TR'd you for the ad hominen attack. It is something I use very rarely. But in your case, it is justified.
The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all - JFK- 5/18/63-Vanderbilt Univ.
by oibme on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:12:30 PM PDT
You accused him of an unethical and criminal act. His actions do not meet either definition. Attending a public event in a place of business that has been advertised can not be considered stalking. Was the guy from Webb's campaign who Allen called "macaca" a stalker?
Furthermore, since when is "your big fucking mouth" a legal term of art?
Finally, he didn't cry "rape" and you know it. He used an inappropriate analogy, but spare me the PC gotcha. No reasonable person would conclude that he really intended to compare his experience to the trauma and dehumanization of being raped.
Here's a legal term of art for you: Give me a big fat fucking break!
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:53:15 AM PDT
My Previous History With Hannity
Exposing Sean Hannity
NYC/LI Action Alert - "Meet" Sean Hannity Today
NEW Update + VIDEO - and yes I will sue
Why I MUST Be Public About This (BIG UPDATE)
But, of course
It's Not About Me
Sorry, the word fits.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:31:18 AM PDT
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:55:39 AM PDT
Call the police, some reporter at the NY Times has probably written at least 7 stories invoking the name Bill clinton or george Bush.
Must be a stalker.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:37:47 AM PDT
any campaign and you do not represent any group. You are a guy who chooses to express his political opposition by calling RW talk shows and appearing at RW events. That part is fair enough, although I don't see its efficacy. But your fixation on Hannity--as demonstrated by your own diaries and comments--is more than that.
You got the response you wanted both there and here but those of us who've been around for a while recognize your stunts and self promotion for what they are. Bookmark this thread and reread it when your legal matter has been resolved. I always take the long view ;-)
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:53:26 AM PDT
9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.
by varro on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:44:17 AM PDT
That was pretty random.
I'll tell you why I didn't give you a TR, though. It's because I don't want the comment to go hidden. I want it out where everyone can see it, along with my reply.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:34:38 AM PDT
preferably by TUs. Did you see the diarist's video yet?
Still want to adopt this one?
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:36:51 AM PDT
That's someone else, never met him,
the only time u see me on camera is with the 2 police officers.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:20 AM PDT
I'd been thinking you were an Alex Jones nutjob for a while now. My apologies!
"Can I just ask a question? What is Fox News, it's just a Parade of Propaganda, isn't it? It's just a Festival of Ignorance." --Lee Camp, FOX News guest
by twalling on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:41:03 AM PDT
at least when shown evidence you follow it.
It'd be nice if the other guy, now being given the proof that I had nothing to do with that guy in the car or the guy filming the video, to do the same.
interestingly, it's the guy in the car who it could be argued tangently who caused a disturbance but you don't hear a peep from Hannity or Levin.
So why are they attacking the guy who didn't create any disturbance whatsoever and not saying a word about the wearechange guy?
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:37 AM PDT
visit this site, their many followers and aides do and they know who you are, that you post diaries on this site and are very vocal about your political leanings, so they have a face to attack so to speak. That other guy is nothing to them unless he posts about the occurance and might actually have a following, like you have now.
I agree with you, I am tired of bowing down to the wingnuts and turning the other check everytime I am called a traitor. I feel that some on the left absolutely need to get down in the mud with the wingnuts. This is not a level playing field so why should we try our hardest to make it so? Often times the results of this pandering to the wingnuts makes us look soft-i.e soft on terror(and I know our fight is with obl, not terror). Let them throw the first punch, but respond with force. But I am a dem from the south, so fightin is in my blood.
"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." --Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002-GWB
by meatwad420 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:34:55 AM PDT
Nah, personally I think that's the level they inevitably stoop to. My wingnut uncle from the boonies slapped me in the back of my head cause he thought I was 'goofing on grace' during Thanksgiving, I told him to get a life despite the fact he was goading for a fight. It's in their nature to seek out conflicts so the other side, whatever that maybe be, will swing first so then they can claim they are civil and obedient. It's the mantra of the entire GOP, I believe.
Hey ABC -- Who lied to you about the Anthrax?
by danger durden on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:18:31 AM PDT
they do like to antagonize to provoke a conflict. But for me the first punch was the traitor rhetoric that was given to anyone who disagreed with invading iraq.
We have to call them on their B.S, even it means stepping on some toes and making some of us look bad by stooping to their level.
by meatwad420 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:35:02 AM PDT
If they call us terrorists, I guess we're terrorists if by engaging in rational discourse means that's the case, in their myopic universe.
by danger durden on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:03:21 AM PDT
It was not made by him. It was made by some 9/11 Truthout people who also attended, and he only found out about it after the fact. If you read the back diaries you would have known that.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:56 AM PDT
Levin and Hannity have not attacked him even though he is the one who had a tussle with security with a camera in the face.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:45:34 AM PDT
See.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:46:11 AM PDT
or you would have known it wasn't his own video. He posted it after the fact.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:48:13 AM PDT
which I found out after the fact existed.
Why?
Because sometimes people write diaries claiming to have been somewhere when they were not.
The video, and my presence in it, however brief and tangental, served as confirmation of my presence there.
Simple as that.
Again I had nothing to do with that guy and only learned about that video 2 days later and accidentally.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:49:16 AM PDT
I need to work on getting that trusted user status back.
They have not done these awful things because they are bad conservatives; they have done them because they are good conservatives. -- Thomas Frank
by sagra on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:53:51 AM PDT
Great entertainment - if not much else is going on in life.
Well, I guess I don't know what you mean by "equal justice under the law." - Bushy McSpokesperson
by gatorcog on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:35 AM PDT
He did not stalk Hannity or Levin. He was in a public place and asked a question at a book signing. Stalking someone at a publicized public appearance event is far from stalking. Would we stalking Rudy if we went to one of his rallies and asked him a question while he was signing some autographs?
by wishingwell on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:42:00 AM PDT
Because they say so.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:59:01 AM PDT
ago, after I called his talk show and said Olbermann's name. Seriously. I diaried about it at the time. They are nuts.
http://www.dailykos.com/...
Check it out - really wacky.
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by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:01:54 AM PDT
I mean raped, dragged by some big hairy ape who is 100 pounds heavier than you, had your clothes torn off your body, punched and kicked until your bones are shattered, then forcibly violated by a foul mouthed, alcohol stenched animal violates you? Then left for dead near some trash dumpster until someone mercifully walks by? Unless you've experienced that, I don't think your analogy is close.
You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war..... Albert Einstein,
by tazz on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:05:53 AM PDT
I'm talking about the mentality and that's the best example I could come up with.
I'm not equating the two.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:33:59 AM PDT
But the victim mentality is huge.
White average joe American claiming he is being victimized? Lets be serious. We all have our points to why we feel we're being screwed but for them to claim they're being discriminated against without any real reason for their white male-ness is so patently absurd it makes me think it's a way they're masking their own racism that still dwells inside of them. Seems like it's evolved from open racism to a form of open self-persecution. Very bizzare, makes me wonder if there's a psychological nomenclature for this sort of behavior.
by danger durden on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:26:58 AM PDT
about this? Keerist! The man simply made a metaphor, not the best, but for gawd's sake, why must you dip into a pail of shit like this to make your point? Your response is worse than his metaphor by a mile.
..better that money be spent in the U.S. building windmills than squandered in the ME for Bush-McCain to tilt at them. -andydoubtless
by Hornito on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:22:44 PM PDT
Try it, sometime!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:16 AM PDT
detained and questioned by the police. Are you seriously questioning whether he should be addressing this? He must absolutely address this.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:56:10 AM PDT
The diarist asked a question and was detained and questioned by the police.
That is what we lawyer critters call a persuasive statement of facts. As opposed to an objective statement of facts. Wasn't quite that simple.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:03:35 AM PDT
is what the diarist said happened. Question, detained, questioned by police.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:31 AM PDT
a real good thing
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:11:45 AM PDT
You think I need this kind of shit? Really, when the smoke clears let's see what you get out of it.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:16:46 AM PDT
I think he's not out to get money primarily, I think he's out to get a wee bit of justice in a country where thuggish bastards still dominate.
McCain = Death. "This time it's too risky NOT to change." -- Obama
by Pris from LA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:55 AM PDT
and if he had read the end of the diary, I basically have given both chickenhawks a full way out because it's more about justice than money. However, I have no problem having them put on a witness stand or called for a deposition and having them torn apart for their lies and thuggery.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:49:28 AM PDT
How do you define justice? My version doesn't include frivolous lawsuits and stalking RW figures. His intentions may be honorable but his approach is not part of any solution. I'm just taking the opportunity to disassociate myself from him and his actions.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:58:23 AM PDT
First, none has been filed yet. And since my SOL runs a year, don't call a lawsuit frivolous when there is none.
Second, I've only sued someone once before and trust me, you couldn't have more compelling facts and evidence than what I had/have. (Not discussing this so don't ask.)
Third, I know the elements of false imprisonment in the state of NY and they match up like a tee to what Boyce did.
And guess what? Their lawyers know it too which is why they are losing their minds over me. Why would he spend 40 minutes of his nationally syndicated show yesterday on me otherwise?
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:10:16 AM PDT
I think you're getting your rocks off being sanctimonious and contrarian. If you only wanted to "disassociate [yourself] from him and his actions", you would have posted a reasoned rebuttle and walked away.
Sorry, man, but you're jonesing for this shit big time. Mebbe you should think about cutting back on the caffeine.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:02:48 AM PDT
From the last diary on this:
First, you cannot prove the first element. They can argue that he merely wanted the cops there "in case" things got out of hand with you and that any other action by the cops was their decision.
Second, you cannot prove that you were confined. If I ask you to leave the store and you say yes, even if I am a cop, you have not been confined, you have simply been polite. The cops would have had to explicitly threatened you for your apprehension of confinement to meet a reasonableness test. Thus you cannot reasonably prove the second element.
Also, since you left on your own accord, you cannot prove the third element.
Finally, though no confinement exists, even if it did it was privileged as the cops were acting of their own accord using their own professional judgment. Boyce merely got them there. Once they arrived, they were acting on their own volition and that action is privileged.
Now, you have added a new wrinkle here, that the cops, after you voluntarily went outside, told you you could not go sit at a table. That is easily dismissed as it is not part of the same transaction which involved the gentleman who called them. He could have had no knowledge or intent for them to do this, as they were acting of their own accord. Thus this action of the cops could not be imputed to the caller, as the caller can simply argue that he wanted them their in the event of a disturbance and, once they arrived, they were no longer under his control. You cannot prove causation or intent.
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants. A. Camus
by TastyCurry on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:37:15 AM PDT
on your first year torts final exam.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:39:30 AM PDT
at NYU Law, so I am not too worried.
You cannot prove causation. Period.
by TastyCurry on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:42:12 AM PDT
very simple, he called the cops. Oh and you don't think I have a good idea (if not a total idea) what he said on his 911 call?
Ex: I see "OJ" kill 2 people. I call cops. Cops come Cops question OJ
Guess what, OJ would satisfy the element of causation against me.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:44:38 AM PDT
Once the cops get there, they act on their own, legally privileged, accord.
These are cops, not private security guards. Once they show up, they are no longer under the "control" of the person who called them. They exercise their own judgment.
That is why it is ok to call the cops without personally knowing if probable cause exists. That is their job to figure out and the person who calls is not liable for the independent actions of the cops.
by TastyCurry on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:49:57 AM PDT
Do you have an answer to this or not?
by TastyCurry on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 01:05:19 PM PDT
Did the police show up because they were purchasing books?
Did the police show up because they were headed to their favorite ice cream store down the street and decided to stop by?
what CAUSED the police to come into the store and immediately confine me?
ANS: Boyce's bogus phone call.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 01:21:26 PM PDT
The phone call caused the police to come to the store.
The police, then exercising independent, privileged professional judgment, decided to ask you to leave.
Leaving aside the issue of your "confinement," it was not caused by the phone call. The police were not forced to take any action by the phone call. Any action they took, after simply arriving, was their own.
You ask two questions above: "what CAUSED the police to come into the store and immediately confine me?" You only give one answer. Your answer is correct as to the first part, the call did indeed cause the police to come into the store.
How, however, did it steal the free will and professional judgment of the cops and cause them to "confine" you? They could have just as easily come in and decided to do nothing.
If you admit that the cops could have come into the store and chosen not to take any action, you admit you have no case at all.
by TastyCurry on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 06:07:28 AM PDT
therefore you must be wrong.
by MajorFlaw on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 07:41:38 AM PDT
DavefromQueens: You, who just,and I mean literally just, passed your law exams, and have never tried a case by yourself, have had, I don't know how many experienced lawyers on your many diaries about this, tell you that you have no case-at all-no case. And you, in your very obvious ignorance, tell them all that you know the law better than they do. Is that not the very definition of arrogance? I understand, and obviously so does DFQ, that all it takes to get people in here all excited and up in arms is to "take on the rightwingers" and to have ones rights "abused" , but come on....this is getting bizarre. He is using you to keep himself in the spotlight-to get his 15 seconds of fame. Look at the troll ratings abuses that are going on by a few people here- I have been at this site since 2002 when it first started and I have to say that this is one of the worst diaries for troll ratings abuse. I am sure that tonight will be my first troll rating, and I can even tell you who will do it...lol have at it. Saying this was well worth it.
by i love coffee on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:21:03 PM PDT
to observe in action.
by Over the Edge on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:32:06 PM PDT
that maybe (or maybe not) I have already consulted experienced lawyers who are experts on this and they ALL agree that it's a slam dunk for me.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:46 PM PDT
the docket number.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:55:57 PM PDT
why it didnt, is because I thought it was a bullshit lawsuit before I ever read any of the lawyers assessments of your case. Crying containment when a police officer, who is called to the scene, and wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't ask you questions, asks you to step outside so he can ask you about your side in privacy is ludicrous. If it were me, I would rather go outside and speak with them where it was quiet and I could better concentrate on my answers, and this is your case? This is the containment? Judging from your coy answer, i am going to assume that you "maybe not" consulted an experienced attorney-and if you did, i would highly suggest that you save yourself some time and money and consult another.
No good attorney evers says that a case is a "slam dunk". There are no slam dunks in our court system because you never know how a judge is going to wake up that morning. It is russian roulette, every time. However-this administration said that Iraq was a "slam dunk"-hows that working out for them??
by i love coffee on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:00:55 PM PDT
the police have a privilege, the person who caused the police to confine do not.
by davefromqueens on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 09:24:01 AM PDT
So I can never seek legal advice from them.
cheers,
Mitch Gore
Wanna win in '08...?
Put your money where your mouth is.
by Lestatdelc on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:21:13 PM PDT
that's the funnier part
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:11:19 AM PDT
I found a bumpersticker that said: Cheney/Voldemort '08. My favourite.
by kissydee on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:24:17 AM PDT
The diarist is a bit more provocative than I would like him to be. But the media personalities are far more provocative and on the offensive and down right offensice than the diarist is. It's their stock in trade, their schtick, their MO. You get in their face and they aren't just going to blow you off as some ha