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  •  The article re: 527 (1+ / 0-)
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    Pithy Cherub

    Helps Obama's position, and slams Edwards.  The paragraph excerpted by mbair is also helpful to Obama, and in no way shows any hypocrisy by Obama.

    Read the entire article.  It is even more important because it is an Iowa paper.

    You should also read this:

    527 Group Supportive of Edwards Backed by Mellon Money

    Query, whose ship is sinking when a major Edwards' fundraiser (Forger) also help fund the supposed "labor" 527, using money from a 96 year widow, by way of a power of attorney.  I hope for Forger's and Edwards campaign's sake that Ms. Mellon is lucid and in her right mind.

    And Edwards claims there is no coordination even though in both 2004 and 2007 his campaign manager / senior advisor leaves his campaign and forms a 527; the memo from the SEIU officials talk about seeing how they could help the Edwards campaign, and an Edwards' fundraiser also funds (by power of attorney) the 527.

    BTW, Great stuff  for Obama, Universal and mbair.

    •  Thanks, pwr... (0+ / 0-)

      ...great comment by you, and the more info (the link you provided), the better.

      :)

    •  Mrs Mellon was a great friend (2+ / 0-)
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      mbair, DemSandy

      of Jackie Kennedy, and a big supporter of JFK.

      If Mrs Mellon has gotten involved, at her age.... this tells me that she recognizes another great leader and wants to support him.

      Very impressive.

    •  "Grate" stuff (0+ / 0-)

      So you're saying that Edwards and his cabal of political operatives stole this old lady's money? Are you kidding? Link not available, very convenient. Please produce a link supporting your charge that Edwards or any of his fundraisers, supporters or staff stole this woman's money or got the donation without Mellon's knowledge or through nefarious means.  

      Here's my query: where's the link to a news article or other credbile source supporting this charge.

    •  Why it's legal (0+ / 0-)

      First Read: SEIU Defends Pro-Edwards 527

      The SEIU defended an affiliated pro-Edwards 527, which is running ads in favor of Edwards. Alliance for New America, funded by the SEIU, is running $750,000 worth of TV advertising in Iowa. An adviser to the group is Edwards' former campaign manager, and the group and Edwards have faced scrutiny for their involvement.

      "While SEIU did not create the Alliance for a New America, the union supports the entity because it shares our goal of sparking a discussion of how best address the concerns of working people in America," writes Dave Regan, SEIU president, in a press release. "The union's support for the Alliance for a New America has been given in full accordance with both the spirit and letter of the laws governing 527 political organizations. There has been no coordination or discussion of our support for the organization's work with any individual candidate or campaign at any time.

      "SEIU leaders will continue to separate any 527 activities from any discussions with candidates. Moreover, a thorough review of the ads reveals that the ads are focused on the issues and do not attack any candidates."

      *** UPDATE *** The New York Times reports on its Caucus blog that "two campaign-finance advocacy groups -- Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center -- argue that the Alliance for a New America may be violating other campaign finance rules."

      The Edwards campaign responded that "As soon as SEIU officials informed us, later on, that some of their staff would no longer able to communicate with us about the campaign, we immediately stopped all conversation with them, as we legally had to."

      That link actually works.

      The paragraph excerpted by mbair is also helpful to Obama, and in no way shows any hypocrisy by Obama.

      I'm glad you're on hypocrisy patrol here, but nonetheless when this 527 starts running pro-Obama ads in Claifornia what are you going to do? Defend the practice?

    •  Vote Hope 2008 (0+ / 0-)

      As I posted in Adam B's diary:

      Obama's supporters get around money limit
      Wednesday, August 8, 2007

      California supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama are using a controversial political committee to rake in donations in excess of what is allowed under tough federal campaign finance laws.

      Exploiting a legal loophole, the Obama supporters have set up a so-called 527 group - an unregulated committee of the type deployed by Republican Swift Boat Veterans in the 2004 presidential campaign - as a centerpiece of political fundraising for the California Democratic primary in February.

      So far, wealthy donors have written checks in the amounts of $90,000 and $50,000 to "Vote Hope 2008," the Obama supporters' 527 group, federal records show. The group is led by San Francisco lawyer Steve Phillips, son-in-law of wealthy financier and Democratic political donor Herbert Sandler.

      The Vote Hope Web site says their goal is to "deliver California for Barack Obama" by mobilizing 500,000 Democrats to cast absentee ballots in the primary. Spokeswoman Jenifer Ancona said Vote Hope is independent of Obama's campaign, and complies with all laws. Together, the political action committee and the 527 group hope to raise and spend $3 million on what Ancona called "a positive campaign, a grassroots campaign to increase voter turnout."

      What are you going to say when they start running positive Obama ads? Surely you can't believe that 3 million dollars to mobilize 500,000 people to do anything can be done without an ad campaign. Most of the money is in the 527, that's what 527's are for.

      Personally, I don't give a shit since they're going to stay positive. I don't know the laws that well to have a legal opinion one way or another. My argument here is for fairness on the part of this community.

    •  And another thing (0+ / 0-)

      as far as your charge that Edwards or any of his fundraisers, supporters or staff stole this woman's money or got the donation without Mellon's knowledge or through nefarious means.

      John Edwards offers defense for donation

      Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards said Saturday he has "absolutely no control" over a $495,000 donation a wealthy philanthropist made to a group that supports him.

      Reports filed with the Federal Election Commission showed that the investment arm of philanthropist Rachel Mellon gave the gift to the Alliance for a New America. The Alliance is an independent group not subject to federal campaign financing limits.

      Headed by former Edwards adviser Nick Baldick, the group is spending a reported $1.7 million on radio and TV ads in support of Edwards in Iowa, whose Thursday caucuses kick off the 2008 campaign. Coordination between such groups and campaigns is against the law.

      Rival Democratic Sen. Barack Obama has criticized efforts by so-called 527 groups to help Edwards and Sen. Hillary Clinton.

      That's why it's a power of attorney, there is nothing that I can find anywhere this morning supporting your charge.

      Again, please produce the link showing that Edwards or any of his fundraisers, supporters or staff stole this woman's money or got the donation without Mellon's knowledge or through nefarious means.

      •  false question (0+ / 0-)

        Of course, neither Edwards nor any of his fundraisers or staff can be involved in the 527.

        •  This isn't a legal question (0+ / 0-)

          And I defer to your research on that aspect of this story.

          The blogger said this in the original post:

          Query, whose ship is sinking when a major Edwards' fundraiser (Forger) also help fund the supposed "labor" 527, using money from a 96 year widow, by way of a power of attorney.  I hope for Forger's and Edwards campaign's sake that Ms. Mellon is lucid and in her right mind.

          And Edwards claims there is no coordination even though in both 2004 and 2007 his campaign manager / senior advisor leaves his campaign and forms a 527; the memo from the SEIU officials talk about seeing how they could help the Edwards campaign, and an Edwards' fundraiser also funds (by power of attorney) the 527.

          My reply was meant only to address what I think is a total slur against anyone involved here. The blogger implied in the comment quoted here that someone intimately involved with the Edwards campaign/the 527 or whatever that they got the money without Mellon's permission or knowledge. I was merely pointing out that Mellon didn't cut a check from personal funds, it came from a foundation. That a power of attorney was used as signatory on the check is not sufficient grounds to imply that the funds were stolen, the check was forged or that Mellon is senile.

          Are you actually defending that charge? Because there's no credible news link or report to support that claim. Surely we can agree on that.

          •  There's not enough evidence yet. (0+ / 0-)

            It's a fishy situation -- I mean, it's someone who has never given a dime to a political figure before, described as a "reclusive Listerine heiress" whose only involvement in public life recently, based on what I could google, was to oppose a pro-environment wind energy project that would have disrupted the views from her Cape Cod mansion.

            There's no proof yet, no.  But it's weird.

            •  So I guess we can't even agree (0+ / 0-)

              on the value of an outrageous baseless unsupported smear. Gotcha. Ted Kennedy is also opposed to Cape Wind.

              As you know the Kennedy - Bunny Mellon connection runs very deep and Kennedy has been a huge supporter of John Edwards. When Edwards got to DC Kennedy extended the olive branch and squired him around town. Maybe that's where the connection that seems "fishy" to you comes from. I don't know and I don't really care.

              I think it's outrageous that we can't even agree that claims of criminal wrongdoing posted on this blog without a supporting link or a shred of proof can be accepted by front-page posters of this blog. The comment was not offered in a snarky joking way. And that you would hesitate to repudiate the blogger's charges even if you think the "jury is still out" is beyond my comprehension.

              Jesus H. Christ. The stench is over powering. The powerful odor of mendacity always has been and always will be.

              •  I'm just saying it's weird. Not criminal. (0+ / 0-)

                And the connection is between Bunny Mellon and JFK/Jackie, not Ted.  

                •  I think it's weird (0+ / 0-)

                  that you know who Kennedy is and is not connected to. I guess you've seen his rolodex. The Cape Wind thing could be a legit connection, but whatever, I know now that you'll never be honest where Edwards is concerned. You had me going in your diary exposing explaining these issues. I thought you could at least be fair in your well researched and well sourced blog pieces about these issues. That was until I read the comments so now I know.

                  Plus Alexander Forger, not an alleged actual forger, is described in a couple of articles links to which leevank posted in my diary on Obama's 527 problem of yesterday.

                  Unexpected help for Edwards

                  In 2006, when the New York Sun reported on a $250,000 contribution from Oak Spring Farms LLC to Edwards's One America Committee, Forger declined to say where the money came from.

                  "I'm simply acting on behalf of somebody else," he said then.

                  So someone from Oak Springs gave a chuck of money last year and then another chunk this year. Plus Forger held a fundraiser for Edwards at his own office. There's a credible connection right there.

                  I think it's weird that you can't even admit that maybe the facts don't support the charge that the woman is a senile old dupe, weird but certainly not criminal.

                •  More from Marc Ambinder (0+ / 0-)

                  on the senile old lady duped out of her money smear:

                  Atlantic Umpire: Is Edwards A Campaign Finance Hypocrite?

                  In his memo, Plouffe calls into question a large donation the AFNA received – $495,000 from the heiress Rachel "Bunny" Mellon and a corporate trust she controls...

                  Who approached Forger to solicit the Mellon money, and when?

                  According to a source directly familiar with the matter, it was Mellon – known to her friends as "Bunny", who contacted AFNA directly and asked to make a donation. According to this source, Mellon instructed Forger to tap into an investment trust that she had set up. And Mellon has told at least one person connected with AFNA that she resents what she sees as the Obama campaign’s implication that her age and gender disqualified her from having made the donation.

                  Forger was traveling and could not be reached for comment.

                  The source familiar with the matter said that Forger and Mellon are content to let the controversy die down so as not to draw unwanted attention and hurt Edwards.

                  Are you content with these facts? Can you now repudiate the false and misleading claims that Edwards or anyone associated with him, AFNA, Oak Spring or anything else committed a crime here?

    •  More from Marc Ambinder (0+ / 0-)

      on the senile old lady duped out of her money smear:

      Atlantic Umpire: Is Edwards A Campaign Finance Hypocrite?

      In his memo, Plouffe calls into question a large donation the AFNA received – $495,000 from the heiress Rachel "Bunny" Mellon and a corporate trust she controls...

      Who approached Forger to solicit the Mellon money, and when?

      According to a source directly familiar with the matter, it was Mellon – known to her friends as "Bunny", who contacted AFNA directly and asked to make a donation. According to this source, Mellon instructed Forger to tap into an investment trust that she had set up. And Mellon has told at least one person connected with AFNA that she resents what she sees as the Obama campaign’s implication that her age and gender disqualified her from having made the donation.

      Forger was traveling and could not be reached for comment.

      The source familiar with the matter said that Forger and Mellon are content to let the controversy die down so as not to draw unwanted attention and hurt Edwards.

      Are you content with the facts in this report? Can you now repudiate the false and misleading claims that Edwards or anyone associated with him, AFNA, Oak Spring or anything else committed a crime here?

      Great stuff here in this post, BTW, but not for Obama.

      Up with people.

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