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Go ahead, Obama fans, do your worst.
-3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:22:43 AM PDT
I trust Barack Obama.
by casperr on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:23:33 AM PDT
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Especially if you have no idea what your commenting on.
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:27:55 AM PDT
...Hillary Clinton for Barack Obama, you'd be at the top of the rec list by now. The faux indignation is predictable.
When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with its fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze. -Thomas Carlyle
by Caldonia on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:34:02 AM PDT
Write a negative title about Hillary, watch the auto-recs come flying in, see it shoot to the top of the rec list. I am officially naming this era, *"The Rec List Hostage Crisis"*.
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:40:26 AM PDT
None. My patience has run out with the assinine concern purported to be some deep revelation about Barack Obama. I get it, you don't want him to become president. Fucking get over it.
You get one vote like the rest of us. Use it to promote your candidate and then grow the fuck up and stop bitching about mine. Believe me, I will not be dissuaded anymore than you would by a hit diary on your candidate.
The level of immaturity displayed by supposed adults in this place sometimes is truly a disappointment.
by smartdemmg on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:44:09 AM PDT
You're right. I don't think your candidate should be president. So there.
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 10:04:49 AM PDT
be president either but I don't constantly whine about it every 5 minutes. Ohhh, the world will be a terrible place if _____ becomes president. The world will implode. NO, you will simply be unhappy. As I said before, get over it.
by smartdemmg on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 12:42:14 PM PDT
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 03:13:57 PM PDT
According to Hillary, "lobbyists are people, too."
by Prince Georges for Obama on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:34:42 AM PDT
You skipped right on by. lol
by Caldonia on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:42:44 AM PDT
by Miles in WesternWA on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:18:52 AM PDT
Hillary is unacceptable as our nominee
by whitetiger on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:22:27 AM PDT
at large, not insurance companies and other moneyed interests.
Not recognizing that key point is the fundamental flaw in these misinterpretations that your present of the trans-partisanship he talks about.
Most normal people out there don't want bitter fights. They want proper cases to be presented (by their elected representatives) as to what we want to and need to get done, and would respect a well-argued case, weigh the pros and cons and decide what to support.
Building consensus among the general public towards goals we want to reach is what spurs the "political will" for action. That's what Obama is saying. Please see my diary related to this: Obama's message in a bottle: We're all in this together
Evan Bayh is a McCain/Lieberman clone.
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:43:36 AM PDT
We have approximately 70% of the public with us already. What is the point of reaching out to them? That is what we call "preaching to the choir". And if I'm not mistaken, the public is getting really tired of the Democrats caving all of the time because they won't fight. So who is this "reaching out", more "light" than "heat" intended for? My nagging voice has said for some time now that Obama is trying to placate the Villagers. He is trying to have them go easy on him in order to secure the nomination and for the most part, it has worked. The necking and petting that has been going on with the establishment media and Obama has been pretty obscene. But he can not govern that way and expect to get anything done. Because the minute he starts to raise his voice, the Villagers are going to stone him to death. We've seen it happen. The only way around it is to build coalitions and push back vigorously or pull out all of the stops and go all postal on them. Obama is already ruling out the postal option in the same way that Pelosi took impeachment off the table. Is that what you want?
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 08:50:09 AM PDT
"70% of the public with us already"
On what? Easy issue will come up, and the GOP and their moneyed interests will come barreling down and a food fight begins. A President needs to put the best minds to work and put forth his/her version of what needs to be done and corral the public into supporting that approach.
"Democrats caving all of the time because they won't fight."
The people that caved in bick ticket items like the war, the patriot act, etc, etc, are Hillary Clinton, John Edward and the like. It's preposterous for them to be trying to wage a fake attack on Obama with respect to this.
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:17:07 AM PDT
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:23:56 AM PDT
sorry to the readers for the plethora of my typos.
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:25:19 AM PDT
Yep! They have no more credibility than Obama because when they had the chance to look out for the interests of "the people," all they could think about was how best to serve the corporations and the "investor class."
I'm not buying the "tough Hillary" act for one minute.
JRE, I believe, is more genuine and sincere - but the fact remains that his record doesn't match his rhetoric. The idea that he'll be more seasoned and tougher as a negotiator is based on the voters' good faith as well as on his record as a trial lawyer.
by Miles in WesternWA on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:28:23 AM PDT
The problem with JRE is, if he were both a "populist" and "tough negotiator" all along, then that squarely contradicts his votes for:
etc.
In fact, not even a single minimum wage bill passed the senate during the 6 years period he was in the senate (overallping w/HRC during 2001-2004). Dems held a thin majority for 1.5 years during 2001-2002, during which period, both HRC and JRE were in the senate, and anyone that's worth anything in negotiation would've negotiated and passed a minimum wage bill, at the very least.
In fact, if you think about it, if they were going to vote for the IWR anyway, they could've easily demanded and got at least a min wage raise.
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:42:15 AM PDT
And although the Republican operatives in Washington might not be interested in hearing what we have to say, I think Republican and independent voters outside of Washington are. That’s the once-in-a-generation opportunity we have in this election.
He makes a big distinction between Republican operatives in Washington,and Republican voters. The whole point is to disavow the whole way washington has worked of late, and build a consensus among the PEOPLE to make big changes. You can't accomplish big things with 50% +1. you have to build a clear majority in order to create change. Obama is not talking about capitulating to the washington crowd when he talks about bringing Republicans and Independants on board. He is talking about bringing the VOTERS on board to change Washington. During a campaign it is easy to misinterpret anything or twist a quote to your own advantage. It's easy after the last few years of Democratic refusal to stand up to the administration to be skeptical when someone says they want to "compromise", but before the last 10 years or so, compromise used to mean "everyone wins". Not one side capitulates to the other.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen Daniel Patrick Moynihan
by atlliberal on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:06:03 AM PDT
At least you are willing to comment in your own diaries unlike other people posting these types of diaries, so I give you props for that :)
OH-16: John Boccieri will finally end 36 years of Regula Rule.
by marcvstraianvs on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:44:10 AM PDT
is supposed to mean. I am very concerned that if Obama gets the nomination, he will need a LOT more help from us than the other candidates. As for sticking around, why should I be afraid of commenters? It's not like they're going to track me down and break my knees. No one has ever been physically hurt by a collection of pixels on a page.
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 10:45:58 AM PDT
Must be a Hillary supporter.
Or maybe someone who is naive enough to think that wild anti-republican rhetoric is going to accomplish something in Washington? I think what happened to the Bush administration proves that wrong.
by leftisbest on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 09:52:47 AM PDT
I am a Hillary supporter. But you are incorrect that I am jealous of Obama. I am concerned that he would be the weakest candidate in our field. But if after all you have read about him you still believe he is the best one, vote for him. Just don't complain about it afterwards.
by goldberry on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 10:28:17 AM PDT
wide narrow
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