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Senator Barack Obama has received a fair amount of financial support from trial attorneys, and he (along with other major Dem candidates) has spoken at the American Association of Justice convention. He has not supported any caps on medical malpractice claims; he has stood up for the rule of law; and he will be one of the strongest allies the trial attorney community has ever had.
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by jhutson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 08:53:08 PM PDT
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Let me ask you directly:
How did Exxon and Trent Lott want Obama to vote?
How did Russ Feingold and Ted Kennedy vote?
What's his excuse?
I trust that smarmy hack as far as I can throw him.
by California Joe on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 08:56:05 PM PDT
By way of disclosure, I am not only a supporter of Senator Barack Obama, I am also a former Communications Director of the national public interest law firm Public Justice (formerly Trial Lawyers for Public Justice). So I am acutely interested in supporting trial attorneys' efforts to safeguard the rule of law and access to justice. That's one reason why I am such a strong supporter of Obama's run for the White House.
by jhutson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 08:56:08 PM PDT
And yours, speaking as an expert on safeguarding the rule of law and access to justice?
by kidneystones on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 08:58:21 PM PDT
I am claiming to support trial attorneys' efforts to safeguard the rule of law and access to justice.
by jhutson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 08:59:38 PM PDT
Not.
I doubt you're much interested in my tiny two cents, but the question of impeachment is not going to disappear.
by kidneystones on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:01:11 PM PDT
Thanks for swanning in and providing a red herring, though.
by jhutson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:02:58 PM PDT
Help us spread the Truth about Barack Obama
by Unseen majority on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:08:18 PM PDT
So in my opinion, it is a bad law. But I would not judge any candidate by a single vote, particularly when the candidate's other votes have supported the rule of law and safeguarded access to justice.
by jhutson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:11:12 PM PDT
I guess i should do some searching to see what his reasoning was behind his vote.
And your second sentence puts into perspective. Thanks again.
by Unseen majority on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:16:16 PM PDT
I am telling you, as a class action lawyer, that no vote was more important from the standpoint of granting individuals access to justice than the Class Action Fairness Act, and Obama voted to deny it.
The law worked exactly as intended. My cases are now harder to bring, take longer, and settle for less money. A complete and utter victory for large corporations.
Some cases I don't bring at all, such as those that only involve a few hundred consumers.
The first example that comes to mind that I dealt with personally involved a multinational insurance company that ripped off a few hundred small business owners in a tax shelter scam.
One such small business owner came to me. He could not afford an hourly lawyer, but I could not afford to fight a huge company in FEDERAL COURT for the amount he had lost. So I didn't take the case, and nobody else did either.
In state court, I would have taken the case in a second. You might have to be a lawyer here to realize just how hostile the federal court system is compared to California state courts.
by California Joe on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:23:34 PM PDT
Posting on an anti-trial attorney blog, conservative commentator Ted Frank (a Resident Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute) says that in his view, Senator Barack Obama's single vote on CAFA does NOT mean that he opposes trial attorneys. Frank writes:
In one of his first votes, Obama voted for the eminently sensible Class Action Fairness Act. This hypothetically annoys the litigation lobby (though they can be expected to support Edwards in 2008) and the cast of usual suspects who opposed the bill; one can also find various members of the lunatic left thoughtlessly buying the litigation lobby hype that this minor procedural reform protecting against abusive forum shopping by the plaintiffs' bar had much larger consequences, and thus expressing outrage against Obama for voting for it. One ill-informed website looks at contributions to Obama from his Harvard Law classmates and Chicago Law students at various defense firms and concocts a conspiracy theory that the defense bar bought him off; one wishes the same skepticism was aimed at anti-reform politicians and plaintiffs' bar contributions. So Obama may have annoyed the lunatic left with his vote for CAFA. As a reform supporter, I'm far from convinced that this makes him someone willing to cross the plaintiffs' bar. Eighteen other Democrats also voted for CAFA. CAFA would have passed the previous Congress, except for its unfortunate timing arising just as Edwards had been named the vice-presidential nominee; Democrats fell into line and filibustered the bill to avoid having a civil justice reform pass at the same time, which might remind people of Edwards's unsavory means of acquiring his fortune on the backs of pregnant mothers and obstetricians. Obama didn't participate in the negotiations to get Democratic support, and he voted for every Democratic attempt to eviscerate the bill with amendments (Vote Record Numbers 5 through 8, February 9, 2005). Obama didn't break with the Democrats on any seriously contested tort reform measures: he filibustered medical malpractice reform, and was one of the votes to kill the asbestos reform bill (which effectively failed by one vote). (I was not a great fan of the flawed asbestos reform bill, either, but Obama's opposition does not seem to have been based on the grounds that the bill did not go far enough to rein in abusive litigation.) Obama claimed to support medical malpractice reform in his Senate campaign (or, at least, made pro-reform swing voters think that he did), but, then, so did Kerry and Edwards in their 2004 presidential campaign. Obama co-sponsored the MEDiC bill with Hillary Clinton; it was a federally-funded variation of the so-called "Sorry Works" proposal that the plaintiffs' bar has elsewhere proposed as an alternative to medical malpractice reform. Data is limited on the question of whether this would be an effective reform on either the question of liability expense or patient safety (much less taxpayer expense), but, so long as state governments are deadlocked on issues of substantive reform, a pilot program such as MEDiC may be worth trying, as its success or failure would provide answers on the legitimacy of measures such as caps. But it's hardly the move of someone daring to flout the trial lawyers who dominate the Democratic Party these days. Posted by Ted Frank at 02:14 PM | TrackBack (0)
In one of his first votes, Obama voted for the eminently sensible Class Action Fairness Act. This hypothetically annoys the litigation lobby (though they can be expected to support Edwards in 2008) and the cast of usual suspects who opposed the bill; one can also find various members of the lunatic left thoughtlessly buying the litigation lobby hype that this minor procedural reform protecting against abusive forum shopping by the plaintiffs' bar had much larger consequences, and thus expressing outrage against Obama for voting for it. One ill-informed website looks at contributions to Obama from his Harvard Law classmates and Chicago Law students at various defense firms and concocts a conspiracy theory that the defense bar bought him off; one wishes the same skepticism was aimed at anti-reform politicians and plaintiffs' bar contributions.
So Obama may have annoyed the lunatic left with his vote for CAFA. As a reform supporter, I'm far from convinced that this makes him someone willing to cross the plaintiffs' bar. Eighteen other Democrats also voted for CAFA. CAFA would have passed the previous Congress, except for its unfortunate timing arising just as Edwards had been named the vice-presidential nominee; Democrats fell into line and filibustered the bill to avoid having a civil justice reform pass at the same time, which might remind people of Edwards's unsavory means of acquiring his fortune on the backs of pregnant mothers and obstetricians. Obama didn't participate in the negotiations to get Democratic support, and he voted for every Democratic attempt to eviscerate the bill with amendments (Vote Record Numbers 5 through 8, February 9, 2005). Obama didn't break with the Democrats on any seriously contested tort reform measures: he filibustered medical malpractice reform, and was one of the votes to kill the asbestos reform bill (which effectively failed by one vote). (I was not a great fan of the flawed asbestos reform bill, either, but Obama's opposition does not seem to have been based on the grounds that the bill did not go far enough to rein in abusive litigation.) Obama claimed to support medical malpractice reform in his Senate campaign (or, at least, made pro-reform swing voters think that he did), but, then, so did Kerry and Edwards in their 2004 presidential campaign.
Obama co-sponsored the MEDiC bill with Hillary Clinton; it was a federally-funded variation of the so-called "Sorry Works" proposal that the plaintiffs' bar has elsewhere proposed as an alternative to medical malpractice reform. Data is limited on the question of whether this would be an effective reform on either the question of liability expense or patient safety (much less taxpayer expense), but, so long as state governments are deadlocked on issues of substantive reform, a pilot program such as MEDiC may be worth trying, as its success or failure would provide answers on the legitimacy of measures such as caps. But it's hardly the move of someone daring to flout the trial lawyers who dominate the Democratic Party these days. Posted by Ted Frank at 02:14 PM | TrackBack (0)
[Bold emphasis added.]
by jhutson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:46:30 PM PDT
Did ya notice that Frank used the same language Obama did. Why does that happen so much?
by California Joe on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 10:28:16 PM PDT
that we might reasonably expect an attorney and an Obama supporter to readily answer.
Attacking me for asking the question is about what I'd expect from someone deathly afraid to provide a clear, simple answer.
You won't, neither will Obama and neither will most of the 'leading candidates'.
You served as a professional information officer and get pissed-off when folks ask questions.
Folks like you are what scares me most about Obama.
by kidneystones on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:16:43 PM PDT
But this thread is simply not about impeachment. So your repeated questions, no matter how insistent, will be ignored.
by jhutson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:25:25 PM PDT
more content.
Obama is on record defending Bush and Cheney from impeachment.
Read for yourself.
You warming the seat for the Liebercrats, Obama's more natural allies.
You're being had.
by kidneystones on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:35:46 PM PDT
Off-topic, after repeated notifications of such behavior.
Your opinion is welcome, and you can write a diary all about it. And I won't come trash you in it.
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by Eddie in ME on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 10:31:02 PM PDT
He stabbed us in the back by voting for CAFA. Access to justice? I have a case involving California state law, California plaintiffs, and California defendants pending right now before a far right Federalist Society-member federal judge in New York City.
The only reason I'm there is because of CAFA. For practical purpose, access to state courts in class action lawsuits between consumers and corporations was slammed shut by CAFA.
by California Joe on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 09:06:31 PM PDT
The implication is that your case involves exclusively California plaintiffs and California defendants and California law, but if that were the case, there would be no basis for federal jurisdiction, even post-CAFA.
And in fact, under CAFA, federal courts are REQUIRED to decline to exercise jurisdiction over a class action under the following circumstances:
A district court shall decline to exercise jurisdiction under paragraph (2)-- (A)(i) over a class action in which-- (I) greater than two-thirds of the members of all proposed plaintiff classes in the aggregate are citizens of the State in which the action was originally filed; (II) at least 1 defendant is a defendant-- (aa) from whom significant relief is sought by members of the plaintiff class; (bb) whose alleged conduct forms a significant basis for the claims asserted by the proposed plaintiff class; and (cc) who is a citizen of the State in which the action was originally filed; and (III) principal injuries resulting from the alleged conduct or any related conduct of each defendant were incurred in the State in which the action was originally filed; and (ii) during the 3-year period preceding the filing of that class action, no other class action has been filed asserting the same or similar factual allegations against any of the defendants on behalf of the same or other persons; or (B) two-thirds or more of the members of all proposed plaintiff classes in the aggregate, and the primary defendants, are citizens of the State in which the action was originally filed.
A district court shall decline to exercise jurisdiction under paragraph (2)--
(A)(i) over a class action in which--
(I) greater than two-thirds of the members of all proposed plaintiff classes in the aggregate are citizens of the State in which the action was originally filed;
(II) at least 1 defendant is a defendant--
(aa) from whom significant relief is sought by members of the plaintiff class;
(bb) whose alleged conduct forms a significant basis for the claims asserted by the proposed plaintiff class; and
(cc) who is a citizen of the State in which the action was originally filed; and
(III) principal injuries resulting from the alleged conduct or any related conduct of each defendant were incurred in the State in which the action was originally filed; and
(ii) during the 3-year period preceding the filing of that class action, no other class action has been filed asserting the same or similar factual allegations against any of the defendants on behalf of the same or other persons; or
(B) two-thirds or more of the members of all proposed plaintiff classes in the aggregate, and the primary defendants, are citizens of the State in which the action was originally filed.
And federal courts MAY also, in their discretion, decline to exercise jurisdiction in cases where between 1/3 and 2/3 of the plaintiffs are residents of the state in whose courts the action was originally brought.
Frankly, I'm unable to understand the principled basis on which one could argue that a national class action in which most plaintiffs and most defendants are residents of a state other than the one in whose courts the action was originally brought SHOULDN'T be litigated in the federal courts, simply because at least one plaintiff is a resident of the same state as at least one defendant.
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin
by leevank on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 10:03:13 PM PDT
Let's just clarify one thing here first:
Taking your side of this argument are: George Bush, Dick Cheney, Trent Lott, Rick Santorum, the AEI and Obama.
Taking my side: Russ Feingold, Patrick Leahy, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and AFSCME.
That begins to clarify things a bit for those unfamilier with some of the technical legal concepts here.
Are you calling me a liar?
My comment was completely true, and you should apologize. Nothing I said was misleading.
The reason there is diversity jurisdiction is that 2 of the 5 primary defedants are not California corporations. The wisdom of the policy we had for, what, 100 years? 200 years? requiring complete diversity for federal jurisdiction I guess is not principled enough for you.
by California Joe on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 10:44:10 PM PDT
comment was misleading, and it was. You said it was a case by California plaintiffs against California defendants, whereas it's actually a case by California plaintiffs against several defedants, one of which is a multinational corporation based in California, and others of which are not based in California at all.
I have no idea how your case ended up in a federal court in New York, rather than one in California, unless it was related to similar cases filed against the same target defendants in other states, and was multi-districted after being removed, since a removal petition would merely remove it to one of the federal district courts in California.
And as for the requirement of complete diversity, no, it's not principled enough for me. I've seen cases where a non-diverse defendant was added for the sole purpose of preventing removal, where it was obvious to everybody in the case from the time the case was filed that there was never any real intention of pursuing the case to judgment against that defendant, and where the plaintiff's counsel didn't resist dismissal of the non-diverse defendant once removal had become impossible. I don't consider that principled, even though it's still possible in the non-class action context.
As for your lineup of people on both sides of the CAFA bill, I'm not impressed. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and although it's unusual, even Republicans are occasionally right on something, and I think this was one of those occasions. It's quite possible that CAFA needs tweaking in the light of experience, but that doesn't mean that it was a terrible bill. There's simply no principled reason that so many cases having no relationship to that jurisdiction should be brought in a handful of highly plaintiff-friendly jurisdictions. And I would hasten to add that there's ALSO no principled reason that cases should be removed to equally defendant-friendly jurisdictions, which also exist.
Perhaps we could explore ways in which cases could be assigned to the jurisdictions where they naturally belong, rather than all being brought in plaintiff-friendly jurisdictions, or all being removed to defendant-friendly ones. But somehow, I don't get the impression that you're interested in being reasonable, as opposed to simply winning.
by leevank on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 12:32:50 AM PDT
So I am acutely interested in supporting trial attorneys' efforts to safeguard the rule of law and access to justice. That's one reason why I am such a strong supporter of Obama's run for the White House.
Thre needs to be something after those sentences to show the link between the two assertions -- unless it's just "your heart" speaking.
Otherwise you're just blowing hot air.
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by Bartimaeus Blue on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 03:21:39 AM PDT
wide narrow
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