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We work hard to register students on campus, because it's often not feasible for students to return home, and most wont fill out absentee paperwork.
Getting college students to vote is crucially important, because if someone votes 3 times before they're 30 the odds are overwhelming that they will continue for life, typically for the same party.
I'm not a clinton supporter, but I won't have any problems getting in line if she wins the primary. Still, this is disappointing to hear.
Member of the Drexel University College Democrats.
by IntertubeGuy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:53:17 AM PDT
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they've denied themselves the right to vote.
Rather than arrest illegal aliens, what say we arrest the people who are hiring them?
by PatsBard on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:00:00 AM PDT
states with caucuses on February 5th, such as Minnesota, they can't vote absentee.
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by psericks on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:02:05 AM PDT
Is Maine just weird? Our state allows for absentee voting in caucuses, you just can't change preferences mid-caucus like you could if you were present.
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by Eddie in ME on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:36:34 AM PDT
The Dem caucus is where all the dem delegates will be chosen. The primary is created by the Repubs to make people think they are voting for presidential nominees. The repubs will choose 1/2 of their electable delegates in the primary which is always moot since they will have already decreed to the wingnuts who shall be the nominee.
Absentee ballots will be available for the primary and a nearly never used caucus surrogate form which is only avaailable to military, religious, or disability absentees.
http://www.wa-democrats.org/...
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by NCrefugee on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:24:16 AM PDT
Really? I didn't know that. There is no absentee at the Iowa caucus either. It's all about the people in the room.
by Sun dog on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:32:11 AM PDT
Your ability to vote in an IA caucus is determined by you voter registration. The county clerk [as I recall] determines who can and can not register.
Student registration was settled law a long time ago in IA. From my feeble old grey brain cells, I think it was an issue when the right to vote was given to 18 year olds. How long ago was that?
Also, a 'caucus vote' is not a direct vote. An IA caucus is a meeting of the "Party" in a precinct to determine who will represent them at the County Convention. The County Convention then elects 'delegates' to the District-State party conventions. At the State Convention delegates are elected for the National Convention. They also elect County Party Committee members. In the same process you elect Party Platform Committee members.
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by deMemedeMedia on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:59:57 PM PDT
of why they should be denied the vote when they live.
by psericks on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:02:34 AM PDT
I added the tag. This Hillary "corruption" has got to be nipped in the bud.
Catholic, white woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (endorsed 12/06)
by mjd in florida on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:25:49 AM PDT
Go Barack Obama
by concerned on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:06:57 PM PDT
.......because she is showing early signs of tanking and she is well aware that most college students are not among her supporters.
by calibpatriot on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 04:33:31 PM PDT
resident tuition? If it's out-of-state, then they don't "live" in the state where the college is located.
by PatsBard on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:17:01 AM PDT
based basically on where your parents live, but there are no such rules for voting.
The Iowa Secretary of State's website, as posted in this thread, encourages Iowa students from out of state to register to vote and to participate.
by psericks on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:21:48 AM PDT
one of the things that's often considered when you're requesting in-state tuition is whether you're registered to vote there, whether your car is registered there, and if you have your driver's license there.
Especially if you're over 23, a veteran, married, or a parent (all things that can make you an independent student for FA purposes).
by mmacdDE on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:29:24 AM PDT
by concerned on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:10:35 PM PDT
by concerned on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:08:49 PM PDT
Paying In/Out of state tuition has absolutely NO bearing on whether someone has the legal right to vote in that state as a resident.
Rules vary state-to-state. Here in Wisconsin, you can vote in any election if you have lived here for eleven days. And you can even register the day of the election. I am sure the law varies in Iowa, but the type of tuition you pay doesn't mean squat.
"Cynicism is a sorry wisdom." - Barack Obama
by BlueGenes on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:36:20 AM PDT
Clinton is to Students as
A. Republicans are to Blacks
B. Obama is to Students
C. Democrats are to the American People
D. Itchy is to Scratchy.
Good luck . . .
by klw1963 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:54:33 AM PDT
I was kinda hungover, but still managed a 1430 somehow.
Did you have a fucking point somewhere?
by BlueGenes on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:42:42 PM PDT
sorry bout the F-bomb.
by BlueGenes on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:45:43 PM PDT
A was my point . . .
1430 - - look at the big brains on on Blue Genes . . . ;)
by klw1963 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:48:15 PM PDT
E. Tancredo is to Latinos
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by Scott in NJ on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:15:28 PM PDT
Students are permitted to vote where they attend school in pretty much every, if not all states. Iowa is no exception to the rule, and even encourages them to go out and participate.
by Eddie in ME on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:38:10 AM PDT
by PatsBard on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:42:24 AM PDT
According to FAFSA students are not allowed to claim financial independence from their parents until they are 24 - unless they are a Veteran, orphan, a parent themselves, etc. I believe in all there are 6 exceptions. The vast majority of students don't fall under those exceptions. As a result, students are required to put their parent's information on FAFSA forms until they are 24.
So...the fact that I moved out of my mother's house at 18, paid my own taxes, lived by myself (in my college town), paid all my own bills, and didn't talk to my mother for over 2 years - none of that mattered to FAFSA, or to the school's financial aid office.
However- according to STATE law, I am allowed to register to vote at my residence. Period. If my residence is primarily in my college dorm, or apartment AT College, then that's where I register to vote.
Some schools have programs for students to get in-state tuition after 2 years of paying out-of-state tuition. The parent's forms are STILL submitted, but because the STUDENT is considered a resident, they pay in-state tuition fees instead.
This is really not as complicated as it sounds.
Iowa law says that students are more than welcome to register to vote in the state of Iowa.
The fact that Hillary and Dodd (but let's face it, Hillary is keeping this story going) are willing to attempt to suppress voters - JUST like Republicans have done (in Iowa and Ohio and PA, and other states in the previous years) - says quite a bit to me about how they feel about voting rights in this country. Disenfranchisement is WRONG. Period.
Know the Facts about Barack Obama.
by Elise on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:06:22 AM PDT
One of the reasons that CT has another Democratic Representative (Joe Courtney) is there was a push at Uconn to register students there to vote in the district against Rob Simmons. As long as students are only voting once they should be able to vote wherever they chose.
by pgm 01 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:07:26 PM PDT
Iowa law is crystal clear on this issue. If you go to school in Iowa you can vote in Iowa. There is no gray area.
My candidate voted to ban the use of cluster bombs on kids. Did yours?
by clonecone on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:16:56 PM PDT
by concerned on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:13:23 PM PDT
you’re only allowed to vote absentee if you’ve voted in person in a previous election. Students from MI who want to participate in their first election, and who’ve gone out of state for college, can’t vote unless they’re allowed to vote where they go to school.
Any force that tries to make you feel shame for being who you are...is a form of tyranny... And it must be rejected, resisted, and defeated. ~Al Gore
by Sinister Rae on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:00:40 AM PDT
I don't doubt what you're saying here, but when did it change? I turned 18 in 1996, and voted for the first time in that November's Presidential election. I was down in Grand Rapids for high school but voted absentee in my hometown in the UP.
Again, I'm sure you're correct, I just don't remember when this rule took effect.
by TooFolkGR on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:48:59 AM PDT
I ran into when trying to register students in 2004.
by Sinister Rae on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:58:55 AM PDT
to vote at their college address, and should be allowed to do so if that's their choice. I have three kids in college; one votes with her college address and the other two at home with absentee ballots. Both options should be (and I believe are) available to college students.
by Lujane on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:05:36 PM PDT
You show up or you don't, and showing up late is like not showing up at all.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. - Mahatma Gandhi (-8.12,-7.49)
by pleasedontbefake on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:55:15 PM PDT
are not what we need from any Democrat right now. If we don't all stand together, we will each hang separately.
It is especially important to engage and encourage young people. That Clinton personally doesn't think so speaks volumes about the kind of hidebound Establishment candidate she is.
Go Obama! (And Edwards.)
Shake my left hand, man, it's closer to my heart. - Jimi Hendrix to Robert Fripp
by The Lighthouse Keeper on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:23:39 AM PDT
elections, especially federal elections, are held in November - in the middle of the term. If students don't remember to request and absentee ballot, they won't be able to vote unless they change their voter registration.
If they stay at the same school for the 4 or 5 yrs it takes them to get their degree, they'll be living in the state LONGER than a lot of people might.
So I guess somebody who moves for their job should have to stay put 4-5 yrs before THEY can vote too, right?
by mmacdDE on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:26:41 AM PDT
and local elections where they live. Everyone has a right to register where they have a primary residence. For College students, Clinton ought to encourage them to do so, not discourage them.
by IndySteve on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:00:33 AM PDT
and a big part of every campaign/caucus season i can remember is having candidates come onto campus to do events--obama came to ames almost directly after his announcement in springfield that he was running for president. there is always a push to get students involved--i have many memories of seeing candidates on campus at events designed to draw students. i doubt the intention was to have the students participate in the campaign season, and then sit out the election because they were on campus on voting day, instead of in their hometowns! and there have always been students who grew up outside of the iowa borders attending iowa state, who participated in the political process--including local city council elections--in ames!
on another note, my husband and i left ames to go to college in minnesota. i was always organized, and would get an absentee ballot to vote back in iowa. but he wasn't on the ball, and registered to vote in minnesota. no harm, no foul. we were both completely legitimate voters!
by sunhaws on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:36:49 PM PDT
During my time in Ames as an "out-of-state" student I participated in two presidential caucuses and was registered to vote there the whole time. The action of the Iowa state legislature and Ames city council had a much greater impact on my life than anything that happened in my home state.
The law says students can vote there and they are supposed to claim that as their residence with regards to the census. It's embarrassing that a Democratic candidate would be in favor of putting up barriers for voters. That's something I expect from the other side.
by pernoclone on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:16:40 PM PDT
When I was president of ISU Democrats I personally registered hundreds of out of state students. This tactic to suppress the vote is sickening.
by clonecone on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:19:32 PM PDT
wide narrow
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