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every time their lips move.
by JoeW on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:04:53 PM PDT
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This is not a matter of "they". Bush has been a mindless mouthpiece for Cheney's belligerent policies.
The mouthpiece, Bush, is still spouting inanities, but Cheney has lost his grip on power. He has lost the ability to withhold the truth from the American people.
The military and intelligence establishment isn't following Dick Cheney any more. Darth Vader has been unmasked.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:08:04 PM PDT
I used to read Der Spiegel weekly, but haven't had the time lately, so today I went to find out what the European's were saying about this whole thing, and since Merckal had been here recently I wanted to get that perspective--anyway here's what they've come up with--more than we get in our traditional media:
The new findings will also worsen the trench warfare within the US government. A rift has deepened for months between a group of advisors around Vice President Dick Cheney, who has assiduously called for a military attack against Iran, and the US State Department as well as large portions of the military, who consider such a move both dangerous and unwise.
And they further have pointed out that as they call them the 'spy agencies" want to 'get it right' this time after their Iraq blunders:
American spy services seem to have realigned themselves in this battle. "They want to be sure they don't lay the groundwork for yet another war by handing up faulty information," a onetime employee at the White House's National Security Council said in an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE. "One has to assume that they want to make up for the failures in the run-up to Iraq." Five years ago, another National Intelligence Estimate -- on the threat to US interests by Iraq's purported weapons of mass destruction -- missed its mark by a mile. Independent commissions have criticized that report in the meantime as "chaotic" and a "debacle."
American spy services seem to have realigned themselves in this battle. "They want to be sure they don't lay the groundwork for yet another war by handing up faulty information," a onetime employee at the White House's National Security Council said in an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE. "One has to assume that they want to make up for the failures in the run-up to Iraq."
Five years ago, another National Intelligence Estimate -- on the threat to US interests by Iraq's purported weapons of mass destruction -- missed its mark by a mile. Independent commissions have criticized that report in the meantime as "chaotic" and a "debacle."
http://www.spiegel.de/...
They have that right, and cheers to the 'spy agencies' for taking a stronger stand!
"People should not vote for any Republican, because they're dangerous, dishonest and self-serving"
by Wary on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:33:30 PM PDT
"You can count on Americans to do the right thing after they've tried everything else." -- Winston Churchill
by bleeding heart on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:37:41 PM PDT
Its all about the oil and always has been. 1.2 million dead Iraqis for money and oil. If this is not evil I don't know what is.
"Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."
by Owllwoman on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:49:17 PM PDT
This should be on every informed Dem's online reading list.
The EU's superpower, Germany, has its eye on the ball. They are so damned sharp.
It'll have you smacking your forehead. (Oh how uninformed Americans are. It's shocking.)
by Pluto on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:34:43 PM PDT
The CIA analysts got the Iraq war intelligence RIGHT in 2002, before Dick Cheney made them change their answers. Blaming "faulty intelligence" for Iraq is like blaming "faulty driving" for a car crash after someone cuts the brake line.
My favorite is Social Security.
by DelRPCV on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:58:59 PM PDT
good, bad, and indifferent.
Let's go back to period before the invasion of Iraq.
On the one hand, we had those within the Agency who saw their job as providing the most accurate data and analysis humanly possible, regardless of whether that was the intelligence product the decision-makers wanted to see. There were people willing to sacrifice their careers to protect the integrity of the intelligence product. Count the Wilsons and some others at Counter-Proliferation Division (CPD).
On the other, there were managers who cooked intelligence to order. For instance, Alan Foley, the head of the CIA's Weapons Intelligence Non-Proliferation and Arms Control Center (WINPAC), which led the CIA's analysis of Iraqi WMD: http://www.dailykos.com/...
One day in December 2002, Foley called his senior production managers to his office. He had a clear message for the men and women who controlled the output of the center's analysts: "If the president wants to go to war, our job is to find the intelligence to allow him to do so." The directive was not quite an order to cook the books, but it was a strong suggestion that cherry-picking and slanting not only would be tolerated, but might even be rewarded.
by leveymg on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:35:06 PM PDT
Rubin. Libby, and all the other neocons? They, as much as anyone, "cut to fit" the intelligence.
Every single one of them are traitors to this nation, and deserve the worst punishment we can summon.
ELECT LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES NOW!
by Hornito on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:02:17 PM PDT
That neocon eye-hole is inside state dept advisory panel.
More hackery and shenanigans ahead.
http://www.reuters.com/...
Rice plans to name Wolfowitz to advisory panel
Paul Wolfowitz, forced to resign from the World Bank because of his role in obtaining a high-paying promotion for his companion, is slated to chair a U.S. State Department advisory panel on arms control, a U.S. official said on Monday.
The official, who spoke on condition that he not be named because of the appointment has not yet been made public, said U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice planned to name the former deputy defense secretary and an architect of the Iraq war to chair the International Security Advisory Board.
Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)
by fugue on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:47:50 PM PDT
and not necessarily American spies, just on alternating Tuesdays.
They served their countries dually, but not equally.
by leveymg on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:57:54 PM PDT
well.
They might as well have been working for some third power, which wanted to set the two against each other to destroy both.
Not even good spies. No good, at all.
by leveymg on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:03:44 PM PDT
Is that how Al got this job? What do you think?
What you see is what you get, but what you don't see is what ends up getting you.
by Existentialist on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:17:48 PM PDT
on the Chris Matthews show
This is a man who trusts his own judgment, rewards his own friends, and keeps his own counsel. Now, if you think that Dick Cheney's been a great vice president, you'll love Rudy Giuliani as president.
We should make that link over and over again.
by dclawyer06 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:15:13 PM PDT
tribunal on him . . . .
Know why it won't happen? 'Cause too many Dems in Congress are complicit in his crimes as well!!!
by LivinginReality on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:32:24 PM PDT
The Kyl-Lieberman amendment was pushed thru at approx the time that the NIE would have been surfacing. Knowing that getting caught in a lie is not a deterrent for BushCo, I was puzzled when they lightened up on the pounding of a nuclear Iran and switched their rhetoric to "killing our soldiers in Iraq". I think the timing comes together (all too) nicely. The NIE says no WMD and that, this time, they'll go public and Bush winds up his Lieberman- kissey-doll to pass legislation on another angle. These bat-rastards don't quit.
Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies
by madgranny on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:42:00 PM PDT
I think the Bush Administration ignore the NIE for the same reason they didn't act on the President's Daily Briefing of August6, 2001; warning us of bin Laden's plot to attack the US. It didn't fit into their agenda, so they sidetracked it.
I would also point out that because the NIE came out when it did, it rewarded a man the Adminstration would prefer to snub: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. If it took the NIE only half as long to get out as it had, that would have been when Mohammed Khatami was President of Iran, and the report would not have backfired so severely.
Overturn Bush v. Gore II, Impeach the R. A. T. S.
by Judge Moonbox on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:47:05 PM PDT
Same key players are still in there somewhere,
The basic set up and relationship between Congress/think-tank&neocons/cheney&Bushco/GOP are still there.
It might not moves as swiftly, but the same mechanism still functions.
for eg. if Bush drop a bomb on Iran to trigger the war. There is nothing to stop him.
by fugue on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:51:44 PM PDT
stinkin' Neonuts GONE from our government for good....and so does she:
by Jeff Y on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:28:30 PM PDT
The reporting here from China indicates any further sanctions are dead in the water although Chine would still continue to press for better and complete cooperation with the UN on nuclear inspections through diplomatic channels.
It's not that anyone greatly trusts Iran, but that the basis for sanctions now lacks credibility.
Serious tactical blunder by the Bush administration.
When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)
by koNko on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 06:16:07 AM PDT
wide narrow
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