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How to debunk the Right's lies on global warming
by BruinKid on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 04:34:41 AM PDT
until the PNAC and all the people supporting this are questioned about this plan and punished, nothing changes. These players may loose in 08 but they won't go away. They will bide their time and wait out another election. Then in 2012 in walks Jeb Bush. This Document is about World Hegemony and control. Corps. are salivating over the prospect.
"Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."
by Owllwoman on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 04:44:27 AM PDT
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poisoned the well for JEB! I think by the time this is over, nobody in the country will consider another Bush. Maybe not fair, but political reality, IMHO.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by beemerr90s on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:35:19 AM PDT
"...I think by the time this is over, nobody in the country will consider another Bush...."
I think so too--but Nixon came back and more than once
If Liberals REALLY hated America we'd vote Republican
by exlrrp on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:38:37 AM PDT
Both of them.
I would continue to encourage everyone to use their superpowers for good, not evil, even though "evil" now seems to require less congressional oversight.
by Superskepticalman on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:46:15 AM PDT
...all would be dictators try a resurgence.
"The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg
by grannyhelen on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:58:12 AM PDT
that we can exile Bush to Guam or Midway Island?
Determining whether or not this comment is snark is left as an exercise for the reader.
by aztecraingod on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:27:54 AM PDT
How about Guantanamo or Kwajalein.
by Sharon Jumper on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:34:15 AM PDT
And letting him employ Chimpy in the Marianas sweatshops?
What do Guistra, Uribe, Nazarbayev, Gupta, Rich, Burkle, Hsu, Al-Dabbagh, Al-Rashid and Juffali have in common?
by griz4u on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:52:38 AM PDT
. . . he's going to exile himself to Paraguay (the Bush family may or may not have bought land there), a state that coincidentally doesn't have an extradition treaty with us. . .
What would Gandhi do? "The cause of liberty becomes a mockery if the price to be paid is the wholesale destruction of those who are to enjoy liberty."
by Robespierrette on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:15:14 AM PDT
It'd be a way for him to avoid being arrested on that war crimes complaint - which he would if he were to set foot in, say, Germany, as I understand it.
"They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary." -Handmaid's Tale
by Cenobyte on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:21:30 AM PDT
US policy that when we find the bad guys, we go get them and damn those pesky international laws? Isn't that basically what extrodinary extradition is all about.
I mean, if he skips town, I say lets take advantge of the precidents he himself set and go get the lil' crook.
by Hard to Port on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:10:52 PM PDT
let's be VERY choosy about those precedents. Most of the bush regime precedents are dangerous, treacherous, and unamerican.
Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare. Some would say it has yet to occur on earth. ~Stephen Hawking
by Executive Odor on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:21:02 PM PDT
admin? Negotiate an extradition treaty with Paraguay (and any other place chimpy mcclusterfuck might have land).
The second? Freeze his and his family's assets until he turns himself in.
#3. With the ink still wet on the ICC ratification, send his arse (and anyone else involved) to The Hague.
heh, that's the short list for President elect Edwards/Obama/Clinton...
Every day going forward, is one spent not going back.
by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:26:28 PM PDT
...to his own sub-country chunk of Paraguay. Good riddance.
People First Politics
by Joy Busey on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:29:21 AM PDT
...in the summer and Kennebunkport in winter? Midway is perfect temperature all of the time with great snorkeling, fishing and sunbathing. Too good.
Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.
by Bensdad on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:02:08 PM PDT
No, not exile--- 'rendition'!
I'd like him to experience waterboarding, then maybe he'll have a properly informed opinion as to whether it constitutes torture...
by John Poet on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:43:41 PM PDT
( see Nixon, Iran/Contra, etc.)
And fairly successful. This has to stop now.
"Get informed, and let it change you."--wonderingmind42's chemistry professor
by DemocracyLover in NYC on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:31:07 AM PDT
so, there is that. Anyway, I've always thought he's gotten kind of a bad rap, historically. Sure, in his later career, he went a little (a lot) power crazy, but when you consider that he was, essentially, waging war across Europe to put an end to a bunch of top-down governments ruled by a bunch of aristocratic bastards and bring about democracy . . . hmmm . . . eerily similar. Well, two major differences between now and then:
by Sebastian Trump on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:30:50 PM PDT
which, btw, is still the law in Louisiana. No way anything Bush does is going to last that long, or do that much good. Napoleon was a great man, he just got too full of himself. But his accomplishments are still in force in many parts of the US and Europe.
For instance, Napoleon was the one who said that Jews would henceforth have last names like everyone else. If a family didn't have a name in mind, one was assigned them based on their geographic location. So you find a lot European Jews with names of cities and towns with "er" added on, and many with the suffixes of "berg", "stein" and "mont". Before that, European Jews were known by their given names and their father's name as a surname. This is a Jewish tradition, in Israel, but in Europe it was codified to make assimilation was almost impossible. After Napoleon, European Jews assimilated quite easily into all levels of society. Not that there wasn't anti-Semitism, mind you, but Napoleon removed most of the laws that codified it.
So, Napoleon did a lot more than run around conquering countries. He was a thinking, enlightened statesman who left behind a legacy of equality and law that hasn't been matched since. History would have been a lot different if his ego hadn't over-reached his talents.
What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams
by Demfem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:42:54 PM PDT
From what I understand Napolean also mandated keeping good civil records of births, marriages and deaths (as opposed to just maintaining church records). Because of this geneologists, amateur and professional, can trace the history of their families back to the early 1800s in Southern Italy - something I didn't believe would have been possible just a few years ago.
by TomFromNJ on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:07:19 PM PDT
napoleon was fine putting those uppity hatians down when they took the revolutionary rhetoric seriously.
surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat
by wu ming on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:40:33 AM PDT
That's for sure. I'm not one of those people who buy that whole "well, he was a product of his times" crap. There have been plenty of people throughout history who have figured out that slavery is wrong wrong wrong.
by Sebastian Trump on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 11:03:35 AM PDT
I finished a big research project last summer on Heinrich Heine, the German liberal pseudo-Romantic poet (and Jewish, which is relevant to him and his identity as a poet and thinker).
Heine was a huge supporter of Napoleon as were a surprising number of Germans in the Rhineland (one of their reasons for Prussian invasion and rule of the Rhineland, the Rhinelanders were just too uppity). He was a large critic of other German Romantics who glorified Germanic medieval myth, the aristocracy, and the authority of the Catholic Church into a "pan-Germaness" that had never before existed and finally died in the Berlin rubble of April, 1945.
The German Romantics (for perspective, Wagner was one of the in the field of music) mainly wrote to garner "patriotic" support for the despotic and increasingly powerless aristocrats struggling to hold on to power against the tide of Republicanism sweeping Europe. It swept Europe at the end of Napoleon's bayonet (eerily familiar to Bush's excuse, but like another poster pointed out, Bush is no Napoleon.)
So, yea, I agree Napoleon gets a bad rap, he certainly is a mixed bag and very complicated figure (just one more way he is differentiated from the current pres.)
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson
by Jeffersonian Democrat on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 03:32:06 AM PDT
And you, Mr. Bush, are no Napoleon!
"...we all of us, grave or light, get our thoughts entangled in metaphors, and act fatally on the strength of them."
by beagledad on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:02:23 PM PDT
n/t
BushCo Policy... If you aren't outraged, you haven't been paying attention. -3.25 -2.26
by Habanero on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:38:53 PM PDT
Kool-aid drinking underlings, like where Rummy and Dicky came from (Nixon), and the other "chums" from Bush I.
That's why we need investigations. To shine the light on these scum so they can't reincarnate in a future Republican administration.
-6.5, -7.59. John McSame - running for Bush's third term. We can't afford it.
by DrWolfy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:03:27 AM PDT
...and the other "chums" from Bush I.
Ha, and, now again where's Paul Wolfowitz?
by Phil S 33 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:12:29 AM PDT
This is just fucking incredible.
Nearly three years after Paul Wolfowitz resigned as deputy Defense secretary and six months after his stormy departure as president of the World Bank--amid allegations that he improperly awarded a raise to his girlfriend--he's in line to return to public service. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has offered Wolfowitz, a prime architect of the Iraq War, a position as chairman of the International Security Advisory Board, a prestigious State Department panel, according to two department sources who declined to be identified discussing personnel matters. The 18-member panel, which has access to highly classified intelligence, advises Rice on disarmament, nuclear proliferation, WMD issues and other matters. "We think he is well suited and will do an excellent job," said one senior official.
We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan
by CA Libertarian on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:42:46 AM PDT
I wonder if Dems would actually allow him to do this?
Can anyone tell me what's "centrist" about using the Constitution to wipe your ass? - ActivistGuy
by billlaurelMD on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:48:54 AM PDT
Be serious - Wolfowitz could never get through confirmation hearings.
by CA Libertarian on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:50:16 AM PDT
...although I can confirm that this man wouldn't know an WMD if it bit him on the ass.
by Bensdad on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:03:27 PM PDT
like Wolfie could find a way to make an honest living.
by Executive Odor on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:25:57 PM PDT
Names must be written down so that BushCo's minions don't get a job in any administration in the future. I don't think it would be "beneath" them join a Democrat's admin just to try to get some legit credentials for later on.
Rather than arrest illegal aliens, what say we arrest the people who are hiring them?
by PatsBard on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:18:20 AM PDT
retreads bush was bringing into his administration. he would just sit there shaking his head.
by stodghie on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:48:03 AM PDT
that was the Nixon administration. I mean these f*ckers are bad bad bad to the bone. And not in a good way like the song implies. These guys are 100% pure distilled evil. Ccncentrated goofiness. High octane insanity. Plain old batshit crazy.
by Hard to Port on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:14:12 PM PDT
to get to the bottom of this as well as set the stage for impeachment. This is something that is as simple as lying about sex. People can understand this. Doesn't take too long an attention span.
Does Cheney call all of the shots and did not allow this to get to the chimpster? We already know that he controls the flow of information and has his spies everywhere.
If so, Cheney would be a goner. Then the whole idea of having a Neocon Vice President having the President dance while he ground out the tune and jerked on his chain is just the perfect meme for the Republican tough guys. They have been jerking off and swooning to the likes of a chimp for seven years. They will run in droves not to be heard too much from for a week or two at least.
And best of all we will have this to hang around their not so manly necks for many, many years to come. Oh the Joy of what we have know for so long becoming common knowledge.
by philipogog on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:12:59 AM PDT
to not prosecute these criminals. Now he hobnobs with Bush Sr. It stinks. They should have been in jail. Read anything by Robert Parry:
Despite exposure of the lies that had surrounded the Iran-Contra Affair, Hamilton's Task Force didn't want to believe that George H.W. Bush and other Republicans had begun those contacts six years earlier by undercutting President Jimmy Carter's negotiations to free 52 Americans held hostage in Iran in 1980. By the early 1990s, the climate in Washington also was extremely hostile to the 1980 October Surprise allegations. They had been denounced by Republicans and attacked by influential journals, such as the neoconservative New Republic. The very idea that then-President Bush would exploit the national humiliation of that earlier hostage crisis for political gain was unthinkable to many Washington insiders. Plus, in December 1992, after Clinton had defeated George Bush Sr., the Democrats saw little reason to pursue divisive allegations dating back a dozen years that also would tarnish the legacy of the well-liked Ronald Reagan. It was feared, too, that exposing these old crimes might engender more partisan bitterness and poison the political climate as a new President, Bill Clinton, was taking office. At that naïve moment - 14 years ago - Democrats felt it made sense to bargain away a few seemingly unimportant historical facts for a chance at better cooperation with Republicans on domestic issues that Clinton held dear, like the budget and health care.
Despite exposure of the lies that had surrounded the Iran-Contra Affair, Hamilton's Task Force didn't want to believe that George H.W. Bush and other Republicans had begun those contacts six years earlier by undercutting President Jimmy Carter's negotiations to free 52 Americans held hostage in Iran in 1980.
By the early 1990s, the climate in Washington also was extremely hostile to the 1980 October Surprise allegations. They had been denounced by Republicans and attacked by influential journals, such as the neoconservative New Republic. The very idea that then-President Bush would exploit the national humiliation of that earlier hostage crisis for political gain was unthinkable to many Washington insiders.
Plus, in December 1992, after Clinton had defeated George Bush Sr., the Democrats saw little reason to pursue divisive allegations dating back a dozen years that also would tarnish the legacy of the well-liked Ronald Reagan. It was feared, too, that exposing these old crimes might engender more partisan bitterness and poison the political climate as a new President, Bill Clinton, was taking office.
At that naïve moment - 14 years ago - Democrats felt it made sense to bargain away a few seemingly unimportant historical facts for a chance at better cooperation with Republicans on domestic issues that Clinton held dear, like the budget and health care.
"It is not be cause things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that they are difficult." Seneca
by MontanaMaven on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:08:32 PM PDT
Democrats felt it made sense to bargain away a few seemingly unimportant historical facts for a chance at better cooperation with Republicans on domestic issues that Clinton held dear, like the budget and health care.
seems to still be the CW in DC. Problem is, it's not working because the Republicans have no desire to work with us.
by DrWolfy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:40:20 PM PDT
for the republicans and the democrats that enable them.
by wu ming on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:43:07 AM PDT
is it even a possibility we could continue the string with Clinton, Clinton and then Bush, Bush?
Noooooooooooooooooo!
In a democracy, the most important office is the office of citizen.- Louis Brandeis
by crystal eyes on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:12:42 AM PDT
Wake up! Wake up! You had a nightmare.
by ccyd on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:03:39 AM PDT
took over after Chelsea.
by crystal eyes on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:13:19 AM PDT
Roger Clinton George P. Bush Neil Bush Laura Bush Lynn Cheney Mary Cheney Socks the Cat Buddy the Dog Tipper Gore etc.
"The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by djbender on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:05:13 AM PDT
George Clinton, that is. With the P-Funk as his Cabinet, we'd have eight years of goooooood times...
by jayjaybear on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:44:12 AM PDT
since President George Clinton did support dropping da bomb on Iraq.
Clinton reportedly said "while the decision to drop Da Bomb is never an easy one, unless Saddam gets down with this whole U.N.-inspection thang and seriously refunkatizes his stance by March 1, we will have no choice but to tear the roof off Baghdad."
We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace -6.63, -6.97
by amRadioHed on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:13:54 AM PDT
I so needed that after two really crappy days! A laugh really does wonders.
by AngryOne on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:13:46 PM PDT
that's been a longtime favorite Onion article of mine!
by amRadioHed on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 04:39:14 PM PDT
for Socks the Cat.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
by kyril on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:01:04 AM PDT
by Hard to Port on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:15:46 PM PDT
by wu ming on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:43:33 AM PDT
school teacher daughter? Was she pregnant and marring a young administration hack.
by Habanero on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:44:25 PM PDT
I knew Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon was a President of mine. And Bush, sir, is no Richard Nixon.
Nixon was partially rehabilitated because once he was no longer powerful (and once he admitted guilt in the Frost interviews), people could look back at the merits of some of his other works. You might say he earned his rehabilitation, such as it was.
Something similar(?) but worse will happen to Bush: when the dust settles, people will look back dispassionately at his works in office and the fruits that will by then have grown from the seeds he planted and they will realize that he was much, much worse than they may have realized while he was in office. People will ask, "Is it too late to go back and impeach the bastard, or to exile him to Guam or Peru?" (Then again, seeing the modern fruits of Nixon's own neoconservative spawn, we could be asking the same things about him right about now.)
For instance, Nixon created the EPA. Bush eviscerated it. There are probably a dozen or two similar comparisons.
Bush's Presidential portrait will be the picture of Alfred E Neuman with the caption: What, me President?
by Alden on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:39:07 AM PDT
And although his reputation was modestly salvaged years after his resignation, he never wielded political power again after his corruption was exposed.
by St Louis Woman on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:58:17 AM PDT
When we are looking back, with a hint of longing, at the presidency of Richard M. Nixon.
I detested Nixon, but despite his enormous character flaws he was a bright, tough SOB and had some small core of genuine patriotism.
And, yes, on occasion he even adopted decent policy positions. Although anyone who elevated Henry A. Kissinger to a position of great influence and did what he did in Vietnam cannot be said to have been a good president.
Bush, no brains, no guts that don't come out of a whiskey bottle or coke spoon, and not one ounce of patriotism. Complete buffoon and scumbag.
by Kargomania on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 04:58:24 PM PDT
Nixon also created the modern incarnation of the Drug War. That alone is enough to outweigh any positive contributions he ever made in the entire history of his political career.
by kyril on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:02:51 AM PDT
by Habanero on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:47:56 PM PDT
The Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, arguably the two most important pieces of environment legislation in American history to date.
"Sorry this is such a long letter, but I didn't have time to write a short one." -- Rudyard Kipling
by Reviser on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:53:39 AM PDT
Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz
by Caneel on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:59:21 AM PDT
Nixon wrote and sold term papers in college. Bush bought term papers.
by Alden on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:23:42 PM PDT
When I mislead this country into war, I will do so in complete sentences.
"Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?
by litigatormom on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:16:32 AM PDT
may have poisoned his own web with the Florida public finance scandal.
God and ego are not equivalent expressions of reality.
by Othniel on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:44:32 AM PDT
by Superskepticalman on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:50:56 AM PDT
Catholic, white woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (endorsed 12/06)
by mjd in florida on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:07:39 AM PDT
I didn't vote for him, and wouldn't, but he is sooo much better than JEB!
by beemerr90s on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:50:25 AM PDT
than Jebby. Crist is now trying to clean up the messes Jebby left behind, and I'm not sure he knows how to do so. Crist is an old-style Laffer Curve Gooper and something of a lightweight to boot. I suspect that he faces 4 tough years.
Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?
by RFK Lives on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:15:57 AM PDT
I'm not sure this is true, at least, of republicans in the state. All the ones I know love Jeb and don't like Crist.
Florida Netroots
by meowmissy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:16:12 AM PDT
g-a-y rumors?
by billlaurelMD on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:50:53 AM PDT
They see him as a RINO - Republican in Name Only.
Check out this article in Human Events:
http://www.humanevents.com/...
I have a picture of Crist shaking hands with Bill Clinton at the Clinton Global Initiative this year - that alone would send steam out the ears of any right winger.
by meowmissy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:38:46 AM PDT
"I'm not sure this is true, at least, of republicans in the state. All the ones I know love Jeb and don't like Crist."
I get such a big kick out of telling my Republican friends what a fine governor they now have.
I just do it to see their faces.
Malcolm
The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.
by malc19ken on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:10:57 AM PDT
because Crist is playing mor fairly. They just hate that!
Republicans: Your history has earned you a new mantra: "War and waste." ~~ Marta Jorgensen (CA-24 in '08)
I am an Edwards Democrat!
by Scubaval on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:07:57 PM PDT
with a name like Christ ... errr, I mean Crist. Especially running as a Republican.
by djbender on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:11:22 AM PDT
He's done.
St. Ronnie was an asshole.
by manwithnoname on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:14:17 AM PDT
I'm amazed that anyone would still want to attach their names to the crazy PNAC outfit.
--- BE the movement. Obama for President. ---
by boofdah on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:05:35 AM PDT
They don't give up mostly because they believe that they are entitled to the power.
by inclusiveheart on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:55:45 AM PDT
...a junior idiot with bad consumption habits who got his job through no ability of his own, but through a consortium of right-wing media publishers who decided he'd be governor while he was still falling-down drunk at the TPC. When I laughed at the idea (from within the right-wing media) at the time, I was told "he has the right name."
by Joy Busey on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:33:08 AM PDT
what would have happened if JFK Jr. really had run against Bush instead of being killed in the plane crash. The rumors at the time were touting the first election of two sons of former presidents with the media picking up the hype. If popular name recognition is all it would have taken the world would have been a drastically different place today.
Patriotic Dissent Graphix
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by Patriotic Dissent Graphix on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:56:54 AM PDT
Still, I'm not big on political dynasties disguised as democracy. This whole Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush... thing is disgusting. None of them are the monarchy they'd like to be. Time for new blood.
by Joy Busey on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:56:13 AM PDT
I always thought of Bush I as the Benjamin Harrison of the 20th Century - and his grandfather had been president, albeit for a month.
by