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....much of his critique on immigration's proxy role in unraveling the middle class is spot-on. Jim Webb gets it. Ted Kennedy doesn't. If open-borders ideologues like yourself mindlessly insist upon equating the Jim Webbs of the Democratic Party with "racism", you needn't worry about a flurry of economic populists bringing the Democratic party down from the inside.
by Mark27 on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 08:29:36 PM PDT
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Has anyone actually come out and tried to make a case for open borders? Exactly what whould be their argument?
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by steviemo on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 08:39:18 PM PDT
....suggest that all borders should be open. They come at it from several different angles, but the most common defense of the position from those on the left is that our nation's collective ancestry was able to migrate here to make a better life for themselves so current and future generations of immigrants should have the same opportunity. I'm guessing very few people who make that argument work with their hands in construction or food processing.
Most defenders of open-borders immigration come from the Grover Norquist wing of the GOP, who see mass immigration as a way to inflate the low-skill labor market large enough that their peeps at the country club have an unlimited pool of desperate, impoverished workers to shuttle in and out of the revolving doors at their sweatshops.
by Mark27 on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 08:45:47 PM PDT
today's workers support today's retirees. With an imminent projected increase in retirees but only a few workers entering the work force, increased immigration may be useful. The trick will be in deciding what level of skills new immigrants should have and where they should have priority in our community.
What would you suggest?
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by Serendipity on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 09:09:55 PM PDT
....but I'm off the mind that we can't even begin having this discussion unless we seal the borders. Right away, that puts me at odds with a very large percentage of this community.
But assuming we are able to seal the border with either a real or mechanical fence, it will be very hard to balance the interests of our economy with the influx of immigrants allowed to enter legally. Theoretically, a precise distribution of immigration visas could allocate a useful quotient of laborers to every sector of the economy while avoiding endemic suppression of working-class wage levels. But this would be all but impossible to pull off given the disparity of the lobbying forces each industry has. Certainly, construction and agribusiness would be in a breathless fury if their pipeline of impoverished immigrant labor slowed to a trickle...and the misinformation campaign they unleashed on lawmakers and the public would convince them of the need to keep the cheap labor trough full for the barons.
It would ultimately be a learning curve and require a few years before the process ran as effectively as we'd like, but as I see every working-class person I know undermined by low-wage labor from south of the border, I am certain that the status quo is unacceptable...and several of the provisions of McCain-Kennedy would likely make the situation worse.
by Mark27 on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 09:23:47 PM PDT
on Foreign Relations want to do away with he borders both north and south. The new world order starring the North American Union.
So, steviemo, it looks like you might support them whereas Dobbs doesn't for which I'll be for ever thankful.
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by 0hio on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 11:18:37 PM PDT
if they could find employers willing to break the law and hire them.
That's all of it, in a nutshell. All the rest is so much bullshit. 'Open borders', bullshit.
It's the people that know they are breaking State and Federal laws by paying people $2/hr that are the root cause of the problem.
End of discussion.
McCain just flushed his own campaign by his appearance at the FBF on Aug 16th, 2008.
by shpilk on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:19:43 AM PDT
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